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John de Camoys

Male 1252 - Bef 1298  (~ 51 years)


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  • Name John de Camoys 
    Born From 1247 to 1252  of Flockthorpe, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died Bef 4 Jun 1298 
    Person ID I6175  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father Ralph de Camoys,   b. of Flockthorpe, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Mother Asceline de Torpel 
    Family ID F2676  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Margaret or Margery de Gatesden,   d. Bef 4/04 Jan 1310/1 
    Married Bef Apr 1262 
    Children 
     1. Ralph de Camoys,   b. Abt 1282, of Flockthorpe, Norfolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef Jun 1336  (Age ~ 54 years)
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F2673  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “MARGARET (or MARGERY) DE GATESDEN, daughter and heiress, minor in 1269. She married by contract dated before April 1262 JOHN DE CAMOYS, Knt, of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk, Hinxton and Orwell, Cambridgeshire, West Tisted, Hampshire, Great Stukeley, Huntingdonshire, Pilton and Tansor, Northamptonshire, Wotton, Surrey, etc., and, in right of his wife, of Eling and Lasham, Hampshire, Broadwater, Elsted, and Trotton, Sussex, etc., son and heir of Ralph de Camoys, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk, Hinxton and Orwell, Cambridgeshire, West Tisted, Hampshire, Great Stukeley, Huntingdonshire, Pilton, Tansor, Torpel, and Upton, Northamptonshire, Wotton, Surrey, etc., Constable of Pevensey, by Asceline, daughter Roger de Torpel. He was born about 1247-52 (aged variously 25, 26, or 30 in 1277). They had one son, Ralph, Knt. [1st Lord Camoys]. Sometime before 1268 he conveyed a moiety of the manor of Lasham, Hampshire to Robert Walerand. In 1275-6 he and his wife, Margaret, arraigned an assizee of mort d’ancestor against Nicholas Blundel touching a messuage and land in Elsted, Sussex. In 1276 John and his wife, Margery, sued Robert del Ostre and his wife, Rose, regarding their right to hospitality in a messuage in St. Michael Comhill, London. In 1276-7 he was granted letters of protection, he then going in the king's suite to the parts of Wales. In 1279 he and his wife, Margaret, successfully claimed free warren in Broadwater, Sussex. The same year he and his wife, Margaret, reached agreement with Richard de Pevensey and his wife, Isabel de Montagu, regarding the holdings of various manors; the said Richard and Isabel granted John and Margaret and her heirs the manors and advowsons of the churches of Norton [Fitzwarren] and Bradford-on-Tone, Somerset, and quitclaimed to them all their right in the manors of Stockholt (in Akeley), Buckinghamshire, Broadwater and Bovigeton, Sussex, and Eling, Hampshire. Sometime in the period, 1279-84, he conveyed the manor of Orwell, Cambridgeshire to John Kirkby, Bishop of Ely, and John Lovetot. In 1280 he vindicated his right to the advowson of Broadwater, Sussex against William son of Richard Hubard. The same year he granted Richard de Crofton £10 annual rent from the manor of West Tisted, Hampshire. In 1280 he released the manors of Torpel and Upton, Northamptonshire to the king and queen. The same year he and his wife, Margaret, recognized the right of the Prior of Boxgrove to certain land and a mill in Elsted, Sussex which Margaret's father, John de Gatesden, had held for his life by a lease from a former prior, and 17-1/2 acres in Elsted in the vale of Marden; they likewise granted the prior an acre in Tulonde. In 1280 Peter de Montfort and his wife, Maud; and her half-sister, Hawise le Veel, sued John and his wife, Margaret, regarding the manor of Norton [Fitzwarren], Somerset, which John and Margaret they said had no entry except by John de Gatesden (father of Margaret) who unjustly disseised Joan de la Mare, mother the said Maud and Hawise. In 1280-1 he and his wife, Margaret, arraigned an assize of novel disseisin against William de Brewes and others touching a tenement in Horsham, Sussex. By a very remarkable document, he transferred his wife, Margaret, and her goods and chattels to Sir William Paynel, and by deeds dated 1285 and 1289, he demised to the said William the greater part of her inheritance. William and Margaret were respectively charged with adultery, he in 1287 by the Archbishop of Canterbury, she in 1295 by the Bishop of Chichester. John presented to the church of Pilton, Northamptonshire in 1285. Sometime before 1289 he sold the manor of Hinxton, Cambridgeshire to John Lovetot, Knt. In 1297-8 Margaret brought a successful suit against Robert Walerand for the manor of Eling, Hampshire. SIR JOHN DE CAMOYS died shortly before 4 June 1298. His widow, Margaret, married (2nd) about 1298 (when she made a fine of 100 marks to marry at will) WILLIAM PAYNEL, Knt., Lord Paynel, of Littleton Pannell (in West Lavington), Wiltshire, Hamptonett (in Westhampnett), Pinkhurst, Sidlesham, Trotton and Woolbeding, Sussex, etc., younger son of William Paynel, Knt., of Littleton Pannell (in West Lavington), Wiltshire, by Maud, daughter of Henry Husee. They had no issue. In the Parliaments of 1300-2 they made petition for Margaret's dower from the manor of Torpel, Northamptonshire (a Camoys estate). He was summoned to Parliament from 12 Nov. 1304 to 16 October 1315, by writs directed Willelmo Paynel, whereby he is held to have become Lord Paynel. In 1304 he and his wife, Margaret, purchased the reversion of the manor of Cokeham (in Sompting), Sussex from her niece, Hawise de la Hyde, widow of Robert le Veel, Knt. In 1304-5 Hawise likewise conveyed the manor of Stow Bedon, Norfolk to William and his wife, Margaret. In 1308 William and his wife, Margaret, gave a release for land in Compton, Surrey to Henry de Guildford. He and his wife were summoned to attend the Coronation of King Edward II in 1308. His wife, Margaret, died shortly before 4 Jan. 1310/11. He married (2nd) before 6 Nov. 1314 EVE DE HAUTERIVE (or DAUTRY), widow of Roger de Shelvestrode (living 1308), and daughter amd heiress of John de Hauterive (or Dautry), of Barlavington, East Hampnett (in Boxgrove), and North Marden, Sussex, by Elizabeth, daughter and co-heiress of Peter de la Stane. They had no issue. He was heir in 1314 to his elder brother, Thomas Paynel, Knt. In 1316 he gave the manor of Cokeham (in Sompting), Sussex, together with a ferry across the water of New Shoreham, Sussex, to Hardham Priory to provide four secular chaplains. SIR WILLIAM PAYNEL, Lord Paynel, died 1 April 1317. His widow, Eve, married (2nd) shortly before 8 May 1317 EDWARD DE SAINT JOHN, Knt. [see PAULET 7.ii] of Litchfield and Sherborne St. John, Hampshire, younger son of John de Saint John, Knt., of Basing, Hampshire, by Alice, daughter of Reynold Fitz Peter. Knt. [see PAULET 7 for his ancestry]. They had four sons, Edward, Knt., John, William, and Richard, and one possible daughter, Agnes. In 1328 she sued Edmund, Earl of Kent and Ralph de Camoys for dower in Broadwater, Petworth, Trotton, Woolavington, etc., Sussex. SIR EDWARD DE SAINT JOHN died 30 Nov. 1347. His widow, Eve, was granted a license for an oratory for her manor of Empshott, Hampshire for one year in 1353. She died 16 August 1354.
      Blomefield Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 2 (1805): 278. Dallaway Hist. of the Western Division of the County of Sussex 1(2) (1832): 217 (Camoys ped.). Sussex Arch. Colls. 3 (1850): 94; 37 (1890): 182; 51(1908): 190. Eyton Antiqs. of Shropshire 3 (1856): 6-7, 9. Roberts Calendarium Genealogicum 1 (1865): 136. Carthew Hundred of Lairnditch & Deanery of Brisley 1 (1878): 238-241 (Camoys ped.). Procs. Somersetshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. 28(2) (1882): 197-200. Annual Rpt. of the Deputy Keeper 45 (1885): 164; 46 (1886): 260; 50 (1889): 121. Rye Short Cal. Feet of Fines for Norfolk 1 (1885): 163. C.C.R. 1313-1318 (1893): 231, 472. Regs. of John de Sandale & Rigaud de Asserio, Bishops of Winchester (Hampshire Rec. Soc. Ser.) (1897): 32. C.P.R. 1313-1317 (1898): 558, 646. C.P.R. 1317-1321 (1903): 559-560. C.P.R. 1348-1350 (1905): 108. C.C.R. 1296-1302 (1906): 494, 608. Index of Placita de Banco 1327-1328 2 (PRO Lists arid Indexes 22) (1906): 574, 672, 673. VCH Northampton 2 (1906): 595-596; 3 (1930): 129-131. C.P.R. 1350-1354 (1907): 524. Salzman Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 2 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 7) (1908): 73-74, 107, 112-113, 116-117, 142-143, 145, 178, 181-182; 3 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 23) (1916): 26, 35, 45, 49, 53, 87-88, 89, 91, 127. VCH Hampshire 3 (1908): 59-60; 4 (1911): 81-82, 547-548. C.P.R. 1354-1358 (1909): 117, 256, 263. Feet of Fines for Yorkshire] 1327-1347 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Recs. 42) (1910): 144. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 158-159, 547-548. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 16-24; 155-156. C.P. 2 (1912): 506 (sub Camoys); 10 (1945): 327-331 (sub Paynel). Cal. IPM 9 (1916): 43; 10 (1921): 164-165. Farrer Honors & Knights' Fees 1 (1923): 12. VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 144-147. Moor Knights of Edward II (H.S.P. 80) (1929): 175-176. VCH Huntingdon 2 (1932): 230-234. Hill Rolls & Reg. of Bishop Oliver Sutton, 1280-1299 2 (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 43) (1950): 58. VCH Sussex 4 (1953): 8-10, 34-35 (Camoys arms: Or on a chief gules three roundels argent), 56, 85, 108, 110, 144-145, 176, 213-214, 268; 6(1) (1980): 53-64, 69-70, 77; 7 (1940): 80-83. VCH Wiltshire 7 (1953): 198-206. Sanders English Baronies (1960): 20, 45. Dibben Cowdray Archives 2 (1964): 331. VCH Cambridge 5 (1973): 241-251; 6 (1978): 220-230. Elrington Abs. of Feet of Fines Rel. Wiltshire (Wiltshire Rec. Soc. 29) (1974): 83-84. Weinbaum London Eye of 1276 (London Rec. Soc.) (1976): 107. VCH Oxford 4 (1979): 304-305. Edington Reg. of William Edington Bishop of Winchester 1346-13662 (Hampshire Rec. Ser. 8) (1987): 38. Ward Women of the English Nobility & Gentry 1066-1500 (1995): 61-63. National Archives, SC 8/37/1814; SC 8/339/15986 (available at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search-index.asp)."

      2. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “JOHN DE NEVILLE, Knt., of Little Hallingbury, Essex, Stogursey, Somerset, South Stoke, Sussex, West Harnham, Wiltshire, etc., Chief Forester and Justice of the King's Forest throughout England, son and heir. He married in 1230 HAWISE DE COURTENAY, daughter of Robert de Courtenay, Knt., Okehampton, Kenn, Musbury, and Sampford Courtenay, Devon, Sutton Courtenay, Berkshire, Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire, Iwerne, Dorset, etc., by Mary, daughter of William de Vernon, Knt., 5th Earl of Devon [see COURTENAY 3 for her ancestry]. Her maritagium included eleven librates of land in Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire and 24 librates of land and the advowson of the church in Alphington, Devon. They had two sons, Hugh, Knt., and John, and one daughter, Joan. In 1231 he sued William, Prior of Cowick, regarding the advowson of the church of Alphington, Devon. In 1234, before his father's death, he fined to have the bailiwick of the King's Forest in Oxfordshire, Northamptonshire, Buckinghamshire, and Huntingdonshire for life; after his father's death, he did homage 21 July 1234. He was appointed Chief Forester and Justice of the whole of the King's Forest through England 21 October 1235. Sometime in the period, 1234-46, he confirmed the grants of his father and ancestors to the monks of Stogursey. In 1240 he sailed with Richard, Earl of Cornwall, for Palestine. After his return to England, he was so rapacious and oppressive in the execution of his office as Forester that he escaped prison only by payment of a very heavy fine. He retired in disgrace to Wethersfield, Essex. SIR JOHN DE NEVILLE died at Wethersfield, Essex shortly before 8 June 1246, and was buried at Waltham Abbey, Essex. His widow, Hawise, married (2nd) before Easter 1254 (date of fine) JOHN DE GATESDEN, Knt., of Broadwater, Barcombe, Didling, Dumpford, Elsted, and Trotton, Sussex, Stockholt (in Akeley), Buckinghamshire, Eling and Lasham, Hampshire, Compton, Surrey, etc. They had one daughter, Margaret (or Margery). Sometime before 1262 he granted the Dean and Chapter of Chichester one acre of land in Didling, Sussex. SIR JOHN DE GATESDEN died shortly before 17 October 1262. In 1264 his widow, Hawise, was given two deer as a gift of the king. Sometime in the period, 1265-9, she and her daughter, Joan, witnessed an alleged miracle in Sussex, which was accredited to the late Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester. Hawise was a benefactress of Beeleigh (Maldon) Abbey, and founded a chantry at the Priory of Mottenden in Headcorn, Kent. She died shortly before 8 April 1269.
      Burke Gen’l & Heraldic Dict. of the Peerages of England, Ireland & Scotland (1831): 142-146 (sub Courtenay). Dallaway Hist. of the Western Division of the County of Sussex 1 (1815): 202. Halliwell-Phillipps Chron. of William de Rishanger (Camden Soc. 15) (1840): 90, 101-102 (Hawise de Courtenay and Joan de la Mare both styled "noblewomen"). Wood Letters of Royal & Ill. Ladies (1846): 42-46 (letter dated c.1258 from Lady Hawise de Neville (née Courtenay) to her son, Hugh de Neville, dated c.1258, in which she says: "Sir Walter de la Hide, Joan your sister, and all our household salute you."; see also Blauuw Barons' War (1871): 184, footnote 1). Lipscomb Hist. & Antiqs. of Buckingham 1 (1847): 471-472 (Courtenay ped). Matthew of Paris Chronica Majora 4 (Rolls Ser. 57) (1877): 563-564 (death of John de Neville). Maitland Bracton's Note Book 2 (1887): 404-405. Archaeologia 2nd Ser. 6 (1899): 351-370. C.C.R. 1272-1279 (1900): 378. Desc. Cat. Ancient Deeds 3 (1900): 19-30 (A. 4008 - Demise of John de Gatesden, 2nd husband of Hawise de Courtenay, witnessed by Walter de la Hide, Knt.), 19-30 (A. 4010 - Release by Hawise de Neville, widow of Sir John de Gatesden, witnessed by Walter de la Hyde, Knt.). Salzman Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 2 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 7) (1908): 8, 25, 62-63, 73-74, 116-117. Sussex Arch. Colls. 51 (1908): 190. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 16-24. Farrer Honors & Knights' Fees 2 (1924): 103-110. Sussex Notes & Queries 1 (1927): 215-216. VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 107-118, 144-147. CP. 9 (1936): 481-482 (sub Neville). C.C.R. 1264-1268 (1937): 8. Peckham Chartulary of the High Church of Chichester (Sussex Rec. Soc. 46) (1942/3): 102. Tremlett Stogursey Charters (Somerset Rec. Soc. 61) (1949): xxiv (Curci ped.), 43 (charter of John de Neville son of Hugh de Neville dated 1234-46). VCH Sussex 4 (1953): 8-10; 7 (1940): 80-83. Weinbaum London Eye of 1276 (London Rec. Soc.) (1976): 107, 109-110 (charter of John de Gatesdene; mentions his wife, Hawise). Meekings 1235 Surrey Eyre (Surrey Rec. Soc. 31) (1979): 196-199. Schwennicke Europaische Stammtafeln 3(4) (1989): 629 (sub Courtenay). VCH Somerset 6 (1992): 136-137. Barlow English Episcopal Acta XII (1996): 215. Young Making of the Neville Family in England: 1166-1400 (1996): 46-49. Meel & Simms Fragility of her Sex? (20106): 130. Stewart 1263, Surrey Eyre (Surrey Rec. Soc. 40) (2006): lxxxvi, cii, cxviii, cxxi. Ward Women in England in the Middle Ages (2006): 75. National Archives, E 40/4008, E 40/4010; DL 25/168; DL 25/193; DL 25/1293; DL 25/3469; DL 27/70; DL 34/1/2; SC 7/64/2 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
      Child of Hawise de Courtenay, by John de Neville, Knt.:
      i. JOAN DE NEVILLE[see next].
      Child of Hawise de Courtenay, by John de Gatesden, Knt.:
      i. MARGARET (or MARGERY) DE GATESDEN, married (1st) JOHN DE CAMOYS, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk [see CAMOYS 5]; (2nd) WILLIAM PAYNEL, Knt., Lord Paynel [see CAMOYS 5].”