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1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“RALPH DE CAMOYS, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham) and Bekerton, Norfolk, Eling and Hambledon, Hampshire, Broadwater, Barcombe, and Trotton, Sussex, Pilton and Tansor, Northamptonshire, etc., Constable of Heleigh and Windsor Castles, Keeper of the Forest of Woolmer, son and heir, born about 1282 (adult in 1303). He married (1st) shortly before 25 June 1303 MARGARET DE BREWES, daughter of William de Brewes, Knt., 1st Lord Brewes, by his wife, Mary, daughter of Robert de Roos, Knt. [see BREWES 8 for her ancestry]. They had one son, Thomas, Knt. [2nd Lord Camoys]. He served in the French and Scottish wars, and was taken prisoner in the latter. At an uncertain date, he successfully claimed his mother's former estate at Lasham, Hampshire on the ground that his father in alienating this property, had violated the statute de donis conditionalibus, this in spite of the fact that this statute was not passed until 1285. In 1299 he witnessed a release of Robert de Harwedon to John de Haudlo, of Boarstall, Buckinghamshire, and his 1st wife, Joan. In 1300 he first appears in the company of Hugh le Despenser the elder. In 1303 he was granted free warren in his demesne lands at Hampnett, Sussex. In 1303-4 he and his wife, Margaret, conveyed the manor of Little Bookham, Surrey to her mother, Mary de Brewes. In 1305 was granted letters of protection, he then going beyond seas with Hugh le Despenser on the king's service. In 1306 he acquired the manor of Woolbeding, Sussex from John son of John de Arundel. In 1309 he was granted free warren in his demesne lands at Woolbeding, Sussex. He presented to the churches of Hardingham, Norfolk, 1309, 1319, and Pilton, Northamptonshire, 1312. A commission was appointed in 1310 touching the persons who felled and carried away the trees of Ralph de Camois at Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk. The same year he also witnessed a grant by John de la Mare to Sir Hugh le Despenser of the manor of Asshemere, Dorset. 1312 he was granted a weekly market and a yearly fair at Broadwater, Sussex. He was summoned to Parliament from 26 Nov. 1313 to 1 April 1335, by writs directed Rodolphe de Camoys, whereby he is held to have become Lord Camoys. In 1313 he was granted letters of protection, he then going beyond seas with Hugh le Despenser the elder on the king's service. In 1314-15 he obtained permission to cut down diverse trees to the value of 100 marks in his wood at Pilton, Northamptonshire. He married (2nd) before 20 May 1316 (date of settlement) ELIZABETH LE DESPENSER, daughter of Hugh le Despenser, Knt., Earl of Winchester, by Isabel, daughter of William de Beauchamp, Knt. [see DESPENSER 10 for her ancestry]. They had four sons, Hugh, Knt., John, Knt., Ralph, and Richard, and two daughters, Margaret and Isabel [Abbess of Romney]. In 1318 he was granted free warren in his demesne lands at Lasham and Hambledon, Hampshire, Stukeley, Huntingdonshire, and Pilton and Tansor, Northamptonshire. In 1319 he and his wife, Elizabeth, and Hugh le Despenser were pardoned for acquiring to them and the heirs of Ralph the bailiwick of the forestership of Alice Holt and Woolmer, Hampshire from Richard de Venuz without license. The same year he was granted free warren in his demesne lands at Eling, Lasham, and Hambledon, Hampshire, Stukeley, Huntingdonshire, and Pilton and Tansor, Northamptonshire. The same year Ralph obtained judgment against Robert, the warden of the house of St. Nicholas, Portsmouth, with respect to the moiety of the manor of Lasham, Hampshire, which had been assigned to the hospital in 1299. In 1320 he witnessed a release from Thomas Fillol to John de Haudlo, Knt., and his 2nd wife, Maud, regarding Fillol's right in 140 acres of land and 4s. of rent in Hatfield Peverel and Borham, Essex. The same year Ralph de Camoys and William de Clie were nominated attorneys for Hugh le Despenser the younger, the said Hugh going beyond the seas with the king. In 1321 Ralph and his wife, Elizabeth, granted 12 messuages, a mill, and various lands in Rogate, Didling, Trotton, etc., in Sussex to William de Rogate for life. The same year he settled the manor of Lasham, Hampshire on himself and his wife, Elizabeth, in fee tail in 1321-2 he conveyed a messuage and lands in Didling, Sussex to Thomas de Dydelyngg and his heirs. In 1323 he settled the manor of Fling, Hampshire on himself and his wife, Elizabeth. In 1323-4 he and his wife, Elizabeth, settled the manor of Cokeham (in Sompting), Sussex on themselves for life, together with the advowson of the hospital of Cokeham, with reversion to their son, Ralph. In 1325-6 he and his wife, Elizabeth, settled a messuage and lands in Woolavington, Sussex on themselves for life, with reversion to their son, John. In 1326 the king out of special grace granted Ralph and his wife, Elizabeth, and their son, John, a yearly fair at Rogate, Sussex, together with free warren at Rogate, Harting, Tortewyk, Tadeham, and Alfradesham, Sussex. He was pardoned in Feb. 1326/7 for his adherence to the Despensers in their rebellion against King Edward II. In March 1327 Margery, widow of Robert Lever, arraigned an assize of novel disseisin against Ralph de Camoys, Elizabeth his wife, and their son, Hugh, for a tenement in Westbury. The said Ralph, Elizabeth, and Hugh proferred a charter of the late king whereby they asserted they held the said tenement; however, it was found by the tenor of the assize that the defendants had disseised the said Margery of the manor of Westbury long before the making of the king's charter. In 1327 he sued John de Saint John regarding a debt. In 1328 he and Edmund, Earl of Kent, were sued by Eve Dautry, wife of Edward de Saint John, for dower in Broadwater, Trotton, Woolavington, Petworth, etc., Sussex. The same year John de Ifeld sued Ralph de Camoys and Richard Macy for trespass at Offington [in Broadwater], Sussex. The same year Ralph sued John de Bohun, of Midhurst, Sussex, for the detention of beasts and Geoffrey Hoghles regarding a debt. His wife, Elizabeth, was living 14 March 1327, but presumably died before 17 February 1331, when Ralph alone granted their son, Hugh de Camoys, for the term of his life the manor of Eling, Hampshire, together with lands and tenements called Winsor, and lands which Margery, once wife of Robert Lewyr held by writ of elegit of the king, remainder to the said Ralph and his heirs. In the period, 1327-8, he sued Walter son of Lucy de Meriet regarding the manor of Bradford, Somerset; Walter de Meriet in turn sued him regarding the wardship of land in Bradford, Sowerset during the minority of the heir of Roger Baudrip. In 1335 he complained that ceratin malefactors broke his park at Trotton, Sussex and hunted deer there. SIR RALPH DE CAMOYS, 1st Lord Camoys, died shortly before June 1336.
Blomefield Essex towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 2 [1805): 277-281; 10 (1809): 221-227. Blore Hist. & Antiqs. of Rutland 1(2) (1811): 19 (Despenser ped.). Brydges Collins’ Peerage of England 6 (1812): 496-511 (sub Despenser) ("[Hugh le Despenser] married Isabel, daughter of William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, and widow of Sir Patrick Chaworth, and by her had ... Ada [sic], married to Sir Ralph Camois, Knt."). Dallaway Hist of the Western Div. of Sussex 1(2) (1832): 217 (Camoys ped.). Lennard & Vincent Vis. of Warwick 1619 (H.S.P. 12) (1877): 282-285 (Spencer ped.: “Ada [Despenser] ux. Dn'i St. Amon 2d Rad'i Dn'i Camois."). Carthew Hundred of Launditch & Deaneary of Brisley 1 (1878): 238-241 (Camoys ped.). Notes & Queries 6th Ser. 1 (1880): 234-235, 298-299, 341 (W.D. Macray states "The following short descent, which I have put together from two seventeenth century MSS. in the Bodleian (Rawinson, B. 74 and 314 [shows] Ralph [Camoys] = Da. of Hugh Le Despenser, Earl of Winchester."). Genealogist 6 (1882): 236-247. Year Books of Edward III, Years XIII & XIV 3 (Rolls Ser. 31b) (1886): 220-223. Desc. Cat. Ancient Deeds 1(1890): 23. C.P.R. 1327-1330 (1891): 20. C.P.R. 1307-1313 (1894): 257, 582. C.P.R. 1318-1323 (1895): 221. C.P.R. 1327-1330 (1896): 71-72. C.P.R. 1301-1307 (1898): 382. C.P.R. 1317-1321 (1903): 325, 449. VCH Hampshire 2 (1903): 206-208; 3 (1908): 239, 241; 4 (1911): 81-82, 547-548. List of Inqs. ad Quod Damnum 1 (PRO Lists and Indexes 17) (1904): 63, 83; 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 22) (1906): 562, 573, 659, 660, 666, 672. Benolte et at. Vis. of Sussex 1530 & 1633-4 (H.S.P. 53) (1905): 29-30 (Camoys ped.: "Rafe Lord Camoys = d. of Hugh le Spencer Erle of Winchester."). VCH Northampton 2 (1906): 595-596; 3 (1930): 129-131. C.Ch.R. 3 (1908): 36, 127, 194, 397, 417, 469, 493. C.P. 2 (1912): 506-507 (sub Camoys). Salzman Abs. of Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 3 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 23) (1916): 46, 50, 53, 59. Davies Baronial Opposition of Edward II: Its Character & Policy (1918): 93-94. Moor Knights of Edward II (H.S.P. 80) (1929): 176-177. Sussex Arch. Coll.: 70 (1929): 1-7 (The author, Mr. Lambarde, discusses the Lewknor tapestry dating from the 1560's which tapestry features various coats of arms which involve ancestral marriages of the Lewknor family. Among the coats of arms depicted are the arms of Camoys impaling Despenser. The author, writes: "This records the marriage of Ralph, Lord Camoys, to the daughter of Hugh De Spencer, Earl of Winchester. This is according to the Pedigree recorded in the Visitations of Sussex, 1634, Harl. Soc., LIII, 29."). Salter Boarstall Cartulary (Oxford Hist. Soc. 1st Ser. 88) (1930): 108. VCH Huntingdon 2 (1932): 230-234. VCH Sussex 4 (1953): 34-35 (Camoys arms: Or on a chief pales three roundels argent), 84-87; 6(1) (1980): 53-64, 69-70; 7 (1940): 80-83. Paget Baronage of England (1957) 90: 1-12 (sub Braose); 114: 1-7 (sub Camoys). Ellis Cat. Seals in the P.R.O. 2 (1981): 21 (seal of Ralph de Carnoys, knight dated 1335 - hung from a hook, a shield of arms: on a chief three roundels; the field diapered [CAMOYS]). English Hist. Rev. 99 (1984): 1-33. Himsworth Winchester College Muniments 2 (1984): 269-274. Hanna Cartularies of Southwick Priory 1 (Hampshire Recs. 9) (1988): 209. Brault Rolls of Arms Edward I 2 (1997): 89 (arms of Ralph de Camoys: Or, on a chief gules three roundels argent). Coss Soldiers, Nobles and Gentlemen (2009): 107. National Archives, E 40/215 (grant dated 17 June 1320 by John de la Mare to Sir Hugh le Despenser of his manor of Asshemere, Dorset. Witnesses: Sirs John de Handlo [Haudlo], Ralph de Camoys, Knts., and others); SC 8/61/3011A; SC 8/127/6319 (petition dated c.1334 from Walter de Meryet, clerk to the king and council, requesting the intervention of the justices of King's Bench in his dispute with Ralph de Camoys, stating that although his case against Camoys was adjudged in his favour and damages awarded, Camoys has alienated his lands to other people before the judgment was made, and is thus avoiding paying the necessary damages); SC 8/169/8415; SC 8/261/13033 (petition dated 1334-5 from Luke de Burgh, king's attorney of Common Pleas, to the king and council, asking that an exigent might be granted against Ralph de Camoys, who has persistently taken steps to resist arrest in a case before the justices of Common Pleas, losing the King a redemption of 1000 marks or more, and that the same might be done in every case where the capias is granted) (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).”
2. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“MARGARET (or MARGERY) DE GATESDEN, daughter and heiress, minor in 1269. She married by contract dated before April 1262 JOHN DE CAMOYS, Knt, of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk, Hinxton and Orwell, Cambridgeshire, West Tisted, Hampshire, Great Stukeley, Huntingdonshire, Pilton and Tansor, Northamptonshire, Wotton, Surrey, etc., and, in right of his wife, of Eling and Lasham, Hampshire, Broadwater, Elsted, and Trotton, Sussex, etc., son and heir of Ralph de Camoys, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk, Hinxton and Orwell, Cambridgeshire, West Tisted, Hampshire, Great Stukeley, Huntingdonshire, Pilton, Tansor, Torpel, and Upton, Northamptonshire, Wotton, Surrey, etc., Constable of Pevensey, by Asceline, daughter Roger de Torpel. He was born about 1247-52 (aged variously 25, 26, or 30 in 1277). They had one son, Ralph, Knt. [1st Lord Camoys]. Sometime before 1268 he conveyed a moiety of the manor of Lasham, Hampshire to Robert Walerand. In 1275-6 he and his wife, Margaret, arraigned an assizee of mort d’ancestor against Nicholas Blundel touching a messuage and land in Elsted, Sussex. In 1276 John and his wife, Margery, sued Robert del Ostre and his wife, Rose, regarding their right to hospitality in a messuage in St. Michael Comhill, London. In 1276-7 he was granted letters of protection, he then going in the king's suite to the parts of Wales. In 1279 he and his wife, Margaret, successfully claimed free warren in Broadwater, Sussex. The same year he and his wife, Margaret, reached agreement with Richard de Pevensey and his wife, Isabel de Montagu, regarding the holdings of various manors; the said Richard and Isabel granted John and Margaret and her heirs the manors and advowsons of the churches of Norton [Fitzwarren] and Bradford-on-Tone, Somerset, and quitclaimed to them all their right in the manors of Stockholt (in Akeley), Buckinghamshire, Broadwater and Bovigeton, Sussex, and Eling, Hampshire. Sometime in the period, 1279-84, he conveyed the manor of Orwell, Cambridgeshire to John Kirkby, Bishop of Ely, and John Lovetot. In 1280 he vindicated his right to the advowson of Broadwater, Sussex against William son of Richard Hubard. The same year he granted Richard de Crofton £10 annual rent from the manor of West Tisted, Hampshire. In 1280 he released the manors of Torpel and Upton, Northamptonshire to the king and queen. The same year he and his wife, Margaret, recognized the right of the Prior of Boxgrove to certain land and a mill in Elsted, Sussex which Margaret's father, John de Gatesden, had held for his life by a lease from a former prior, and 17-1/2 acres in Elsted in the vale of Marden; they likewise granted the prior an acre in Tulonde. In 1280 Peter de Montfort and his wife, Maud; and her half-sister, Hawise le Veel, sued John and his wife, Margaret, regarding the manor of Norton [Fitzwarren], Somerset, which John and Margaret they said had no entry except by John de Gatesden (father of Margaret) who unjustly disseised Joan de la Mare, mother the said Maud and Hawise. In 1280-1 he and his wife, Margaret, arraigned an assize of novel disseisin against William de Brewes and others touching a tenement in Horsham, Sussex. By a very remarkable document, he transferred his wife, Margaret, and her goods and chattels to Sir William Paynel, and by deeds dated 1285 and 1289, he demised to the said William the greater part of her inheritance. William and Margaret were respectively charged with adultery, he in 1287 by the Archbishop of Canterbury, she in 1295 by the Bishop of Chichester. John presented to the church of Pilton, Northamptonshire in 1285. Sometime before 1289 he sold the manor of Hinxton, Cambridgeshire to John Lovetot, Knt. In 1297-8 Margaret brought a successful suit against Robert Walerand for the manor of Eling, Hampshire. SIR JOHN DE CAMOYS died shortly before 4 June 1298. His widow, Margaret, married (2nd) about 1298 (when she made a fine of 100 marks to marry at will) WILLIAM PAYNEL, Knt., Lord Paynel, of Littleton Pannell (in West Lavington), Wiltshire, Hamptonett (in Westhampnett), Pinkhurst, Sidlesham, Trotton and Woolbeding, Sussex, etc., younger son of William Paynel, Knt., of Littleton Pannell (in West Lavington), Wiltshire, by Maud, daughter of Henry Husee. They had no issue. In the Parliaments of 1300-2 they made petition for Margaret's dower from the manor of Torpel, Northamptonshire (a Camoys estate). He was summoned to Parliament from 12 Nov. 1304 to 16 October 1315, by writs directed Willelmo Paynel, whereby he is held to have become Lord Paynel. In 1304 he and his wife, Margaret, purchased the reversion of the manor of Cokeham (in Sompting), Sussex from her niece, Hawise de la Hyde, widow of Robert le Veel, Knt. In 1304-5 Hawise likewise conveyed the manor of Stow Bedon, Norfolk to William and his wife, Margaret. In 1308 William and his wife, Margaret, gave a release for land in Compton, Surrey to Henry de Guildford. He and his wife were summoned to attend the Coronation of King Edward II in 1308. His wife, Margaret, died shortly before 4 Jan. 1310/11. He married (2nd) before 6 Nov. 1314 EVE DE HAUTERIVE (or DAUTRY), widow of Roger de Shelvestrode (living 1308), and daughter amd heiress of John de Hauterive (or Dautry), of Barlavington, East Hampnett (in Boxgrove), and North Marden, Sussex, by Elizabeth, daughter and co-heiress of Peter de la Stane. They had no issue. He was heir in 1314 to his elder brother, Thomas Paynel, Knt. In 1316 he gave the manor of Cokeham (in Sompting), Sussex, together with a ferry across the water of New Shoreham, Sussex, to Hardham Priory to provide four secular chaplains. SIR WILLIAM PAYNEL, Lord Paynel, died 1 April 1317. His widow, Eve, married (2nd) shortly before 8 May 1317 EDWARD DE SAINT JOHN, Knt. [see PAULET 7.ii] of Litchfield and Sherborne St. John, Hampshire, younger son of John de Saint John, Knt., of Basing, Hampshire, by Alice, daughter of Reynold Fitz Peter. Knt. [see PAULET 7 for his ancestry]. They had four sons, Edward, Knt., John, William, and Richard, and one possible daughter, Agnes. In 1328 she sued Edmund, Earl of Kent and Ralph de Camoys for dower in Broadwater, Petworth, Trotton, Woolavington, etc., Sussex. SIR EDWARD DE SAINT JOHN died 30 Nov. 1347. His widow, Eve, was granted a license for an oratory for her manor of Empshott, Hampshire for one year in 1353. She died 16 August 1354.
Blomefield Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 2 (1805): 278. Dallaway Hist. of the Western Division of the County of Sussex 1(2) (1832): 217 (Camoys ped.). Sussex Arch. Colls. 3 (1850): 94; 37 (1890): 182; 51(1908): 190. Eyton Antiqs. of Shropshire 3 (1856): 6-7, 9. Roberts Calendarium Genealogicum 1 (1865): 136. Carthew Hundred of Lairnditch & Deanery of Brisley 1 (1878): 238-241 (Camoys ped.). Procs. Somersetshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. 28(2) (1882): 197-200. Annual Rpt. of the Deputy Keeper 45 (1885): 164; 46 (1886): 260; 50 (1889): 121. Rye Short Cal. Feet of Fines for Norfolk 1 (1885): 163. C.C.R. 1313-1318 (1893): 231, 472. Regs. of John de Sandale & Rigaud de Asserio, Bishops of Winchester (Hampshire Rec. Soc. Ser.) (1897): 32. C.P.R. 1313-1317 (1898): 558, 646. C.P.R. 1317-1321 (1903): 559-560. C.P.R. 1348-1350 (1905): 108. C.C.R. 1296-1302 (1906): 494, 608. Index of Placita de Banco 1327-1328 2 (PRO Lists arid Indexes 22) (1906): 574, 672, 673. VCH Northampton 2 (1906): 595-596; 3 (1930): 129-131. C.P.R. 1350-1354 (1907): 524. Salzman Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 2 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 7) (1908): 73-74, 107, 112-113, 116-117, 142-143, 145, 178, 181-182; 3 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 23) (1916): 26, 35, 45, 49, 53, 87-88, 89, 91, 127. VCH Hampshire 3 (1908): 59-60; 4 (1911): 81-82, 547-548. C.P.R. 1354-1358 (1909): 117, 256, 263. Feet of Fines for Yorkshire] 1327-1347 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Recs. 42) (1910): 144. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 158-159, 547-548. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 16-24; 155-156. C.P. 2 (1912): 506 (sub Camoys); 10 (1945): 327-331 (sub Paynel). Cal. IPM 9 (1916): 43; 10 (1921): 164-165. Farrer Honors & Knights' Fees 1 (1923): 12. VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 144-147. Moor Knights of Edward II (H.S.P. 80) (1929): 175-176. VCH Huntingdon 2 (1932): 230-234. Hill Rolls & Reg. of Bishop Oliver Sutton, 1280-1299 2 (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 43) (1950): 58. VCH Sussex 4 (1953): 8-10, 34-35 (Camoys arms: Or on a chief gules three roundels argent), 56, 85, 108, 110, 144-145, 176, 213-214, 268; 6(1) (1980): 53-64, 69-70, 77; 7 (1940): 80-83. VCH Wiltshire 7 (1953): 198-206. Sanders English Baronies (1960): 20, 45. Dibben Cowdray Archives 2 (1964): 331. VCH Cambridge 5 (1973): 241-251; 6 (1978): 220-230. Elrington Abs. of Feet of Fines Rel. Wiltshire (Wiltshire Rec. Soc. 29) (1974): 83-84. Weinbaum London Eye of 1276 (London Rec. Soc.) (1976): 107. VCH Oxford 4 (1979): 304-305. Edington Reg. of William Edington Bishop of Winchester 1346-13662 (Hampshire Rec. Ser. 8) (1987): 38. Ward Women of the English Nobility & Gentry 1066-1500 (1995): 61-63. National Archives, SC 8/37/1814; SC 8/339/15986 (available at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search-index.asp).
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Chris & Julie Petersen's Genealogy
Abt 1282 - Bef 1336 (< 54 years)
