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2601 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: Here is some research on your Dinah Daw.
Her parents were Thomas Daw and Mary Hilton married in Willingdon on 17 Oct 1768. (Mary was buried on 12 Oct 1783 at Westham.) Mary Hilton was bapt. 30 Mar 1746 in Wilmington, Ssx. Her parents were Richard Hilton and Susan Sergeant who were married on 15 Jan 1734 at Friston, Ssx. (Ssx. M. Index). Their children were Elizabeth bapt. 30 Sep 1737, Thomas 9 Mar 1739, John 29 Nov 1741, William 27 May 1744, Mary 30 Mar 1746, Ann 17 Jul 1748, Susan 26 Aug 1750, Edward 6 Feb 1757, Robert 6 Feb 1757, all at Wilmington. (From Familysearch Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File submitted by Camille Barker, 288 East 200 North, Smithfield, Utah 84335).
A descendancy chart for Thomas Hilton and Margaret Howell on the Ancestral File on CD was submitted by: 1. Suzanne B. Bitter, 7498 South 2160 East, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84121 (AF96-112277); 2. Donald John Tucker, 8446 South 1330 East, Sandy, Utah, 84093. AF89-100975; 3. Donald John Tucker as above AF89-106760.
 		Hilton, Ann (I3841)
 
2602 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: Here is some research on your Dinah Daw.
Her parents were Thomas Daw and Mary Hilton married in Willingdon on 17 Oct 1768. (Mary was buried on 12 Oct 1783 at Westham.) Mary Hilton was bapt. 30 Mar 1746 in Wilmington, Ssx. Her parents were Richard Hilton and Susan Sergeant who were married on 15 Jan 1734 at Friston, Ssx. (Ssx. M. Index). Their children were Elizabeth bapt. 30 Sep 1737, Thomas 9 Mar 1739, John 29 Nov 1741, William 27 May 1744, Mary 30 Mar 1746, Ann 17 Jul 1748, Susan 26 Aug 1750, Edward 6 Feb 1757, Robert 6 Feb 1757, all at Wilmington. (From Familysearch Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File submitted by Camille Barker, 288 East 200 North, Smithfield, Utah 84335).
A descendancy chart for Thomas Hilton and Margaret Howell on the Ancestral File on CD was submitted by: 1. Suzanne B. Bitter, 7498 South 2160 East, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84121 (AF96-112277); 2. Donald John Tucker, 8446 South 1330 East, Sandy, Utah, 84093. AF89-100975; 3. Donald John Tucker as above AF89-106760.
 		Hilton, William (I3840)
 
2603 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: Here is some research on your Dinah Daw.
Her parents were Thomas Daw and Mary Hilton married in Willingdon on 17 Oct 1768. (Mary was buried on 12 Oct 1783 at Westham.) Mary Hilton was bapt. 30 Mar 1746 in Wilmington, Ssx. Her parents were Richard Hilton and Susan Sergeant who were married on 15 Jan 1734 at Friston, Ssx. (Ssx. M. Index). Their children were Elizabeth bapt. 30 Sep 1737, Thomas 9 Mar 1739, John 29 Nov 1741, William 27 May 1744, Mary 30 Mar 1746, Ann 17 Jul 1748, Susan 26 Aug 1750, Edward 6 Feb 1757, Robert 6 Feb 1757, all at Wilmington. (From Familysearch Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File submitted by Camille Barker, 288 East 200 North, Smithfield, Utah 84335).
A descendancy chart for Thomas Hilton and Margaret Howell on the Ancestral File on CD was submitted by: 1. Suzanne B. Bitter, 7498 South 2160 East, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84121 (AF96-112277); 2. Donald John Tucker, 8446 South 1330 East, Sandy, Utah, 84093. AF89-100975; 3. Donald John Tucker as above AF89-106760.

BURIAL:
1. Findmypast's "Sussex Burials": John Hilton, age 86, bur. 26 Oct 1827 at St. Pancras, Arlington, Sussex."
 		Hilton, John (I3839)
 
2604 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: Here is some research on your Dinah Daw.
Her parents were Thomas Daw and Mary Hilton married in Willingdon on 17 Oct 1768. (Mary was buried on 12 Oct 1783 at Westham.) Mary Hilton was bapt. 30 Mar 1746 in Wilmington, Ssx. Her parents were Richard Hilton and Susan Sergeant who were married on 15 Jan 1734 at Friston, Ssx. (Ssx. M. Index). Their children were Elizabeth bapt. 30 Sep 1737, Thomas 9 Mar 1739, John 29 Nov 1741, William 27 May 1744, Mary 30 Mar 1746, Ann 17 Jul 1748, Susan 26 Aug 1750, Edward 6 Feb 1757, Robert 6 Feb 1757, all at Wilmington. (From Familysearch Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File submitted by Camille Barker, 288 East 200 North, Smithfield, Utah 84335).
A descendancy chart for Thomas Hilton and Margaret Howell on the Ancestral File on CD was submitted by: 1. Suzanne B. Bitter, 7498 South 2160 East, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84121 (AF96-112277); 2. Donald John Tucker, 8446 South 1330 East, Sandy, Utah, 84093. AF89-100975; 3. Donald John Tucker as above AF89-106760.
 		Hilton, Thomas (I3838)
 
2605 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: Here is some research on your Dinah Daw.
Her parents were Thomas Daw and Mary Hilton married in Willingdon on 17 Oct 1768. (Mary was buried on 12 Oct 1783 at Westham.) Mary Hilton was bapt. 30 Mar 1746 in Wilmington, Ssx. Her parents were Richard Hilton and Susan Sergeant who were married on 15 Jan 1734 at Friston, Ssx. (Ssx. M. Index). Their children were Elizabeth bapt. 30 Sep 1737, Thomas 9 Mar 1739, John 29 Nov 1741, William 27 May 1744, Mary 30 Mar 1746, Ann 17 Jul 1748, Susan 26 Aug 1750, Edward 6 Feb 1757, Robert 6 Feb 1757, all at Wilmington. (From Familysearch Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File submitted by Camille Barker, 288 East 200 North, Smithfield, Utah 84335).
A descendancy chart for Thomas Hilton and Margaret Howell on the Ancestral File on CD was submitted by: 1. Suzanne B. Bitter, 7498 South 2160 East, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84121 (AF96-112277); 2. Donald John Tucker, 8446 South 1330 East, Sandy, Utah, 84093. AF89-100975; 3. Donald John Tucker as above AF89-106760.
 		Hilton, Elizabeth (I3837)
 
2606 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: Here is some research on your Dinah Daw.
Her parents were Thomas Daw and Mary Hilton married in Willingdon on 17 Oct 1768. (Mary was buried on 12 Oct 1783 at Westham.) Mary Hilton was bapt. 30 Mar 1746 in Wilmington, Ssx. Her parents were Richard Hilton and Susan Sergeant who were married on 15 Jan 1734 at Friston, Ssx. (Ssx. M. Index). Their children were Elizabeth bapt. 30 Sep 1737, Thomas 9 Mar 1739, John 29 Nov 1741, William 27 May 1744, Mary 30 Mar 1746, Ann 17 Jul 1748, Susan 26 Aug 1750, Edward 6 Feb 1757, Robert 6 Feb 1757, all at Wilmington. (From Familysearch Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File submitted by Camille Barker, 288 East 200 North, Smithfield, Utah 84335).
Richard Hilton was bapt. 1 Jan 1710. His parents were Thomas Hilton and Margaret Howell who were married on 20 Oct 1706 at West Firle (Ssx. M. Index). Their children were Ann (Mary ?) bapt. 27 Mar 1706, Thomas 23 Oct 1708, Richard 1 Jan 1710, Mary 8 Apr 1716. (From Familysearch Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File submitted by Camille Barker.)
Susannah Sergeant was bapt. 5 Oct 1716 at St. Clements, Hastings. Her parents were Henry Sergeant and Ann Gibbon who were married on 17 Jul 1707 at St. Clements Hastings. (Ssx. M. Index) Their children were ??? Susanna bapt. 5 Oct 1716, ??? Mary born 13 Jul 1726, Ann 30 Oct 1728, John 30 Oct 1728 at St. Clements. (I.G.I.)
Henry Sergeant was bapt. 23 Sep 1680 at St. Clements Hastings. His parents were Henry Sergeant and Ann Gawan who were married on 16 Dec 1677 at St. Clements Hastings. (Ssx. M. Index) Their children were Henry bapt. 23 Sep 1680, ??? Stephen 2 Mar 1687, Edward 1/17 ? Jan 1690. (I.G.I.)
A descendancy chart for Thomas Hilton and Margaret Howell on the Ancestral File on CD was submitted by: 1. Suzanne B. Bitter, 7498 South 2160 East, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84121 (AF96-112277); 2. Donald John Tucker, 8446 South 1330 East, Sandy, Utah, 84093. AF89-100975; 3. Donald John Tucker as above AF89-106760.
Thomas Daw was bapt. 28 Apr 1734 at Warbleton, Ssx. His parents were Thomas Daw and Elizabeth Mott who were married on 8 Apr 1729 at Warbleton, Ssx. Their children were Mary bapt. 4 Feb 1729, Lucy 4 Mar 1731, Thomas 28 Apr 1734, Samuel 21 Aug 1737, Elizabeth 10 Jun 1744. (From I.G.I.) Familysearch Pedigree Resource File -- submitted by Joseph McAlister Reed, 2059 East Brown Road #68, Mesa, Arizona, 85213.
Elizabeth Mott was bapt. 21 Mar 1700/1. Her parents were Benjamin Mott (of Herstmonceux) and Elizabeth Robonson who married on 27 May 1701 at Hooe. (Ssx. M. Index).
Note: A Thomas Daw married a Mary Bingham on 6 Apr 1758 at Warbleton. Their children were Samuel bapt. 14 Mar 1762, Mary 18 Jun 1763, Elizabeth 21 JUn 1765, all at Warbleton. (Did Mary Bingham die and Thomas remarry? Will look into this.)

ACTION:
1. Review actual parish records for Wilmington, Sussex, England to verify PRF information on Richard and Susanna's family and each of their ancestries. 		Hilton, Richard (I3835)
 
2607 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Eleanor (bapt. 5 Dec 1791 Arlington) married Richard Dennis (born Folkington) on 30 May 1811 at Arlington. Children were ??? Eliza (from death certificate) and Ann 1824, James 1826, Sophia 1828 (from the 1841 census of Folkington). Eleanor died 2 Sep 1837 at Folkington, Sussex. Eliza married ___Merrick. There should be other children from 1811 to 1824 and a search of the parish registers is needed.

2. Email from: Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] October 05, 2006:
"I have found a death for Richard Dennis (husband of Eleanor Osborne). He died in Folkington on the 11 Jun 1859. Also I have some marriages and children for the next generation."

3. Email from Val Bray Nov. 2006:
Parents: William Dennis and Hannah Freers, m. 6 Nov 1775 in Folkington.
Children:
Elizabeth, 18 Jan 1778.
William, 27 Dec 1779.
John, 10 Mar 1782.
Henry, 4 Apr 1784.
Richard, 20 Aug 1786.
James, 15 Mar 1789.
Samuel, 14, Aug 1791.

4. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], April 01, 2007:
"Eleanor Osborne (bapt.5 Dec 1790) married Richard Dennis 30 May 1811 at Arlington. I have found some of their missing Children. Ruth was bapt. 10 Jun 1811, Naomi 3 Oct 1812, both at Hailsham (FHL 1364156). Harriet 27 Aug 1820, Delia 15 Nov 1822, Alice (Ann ?) 26 Dec 1824, James 16 Apr 1826, Sophia 27 Mar 1828, William 17 Oct 1830 (buried 11 Jun 1831), Daniel 8 Sep 1833 (buried 28 Apr 1834), all at Folkington. (FHL 1364155) There is still a gap, 1813-1820 but as Richard gave his address as West Dean when he married I will try there next. When Eleanor and Richard died their informant was Eliza, daughter, so I've yet to find her.
James Dennis (father Richard mother Eleanor Osborne) bapt. 16 Apr 1826, married Frances Carter on 22 Mar 1860 at Folkington. Their children were William bapt. 9 Aug 1860, Charles 17 Aug 1862, David 22 Nov 1863, Mary 22 Jan 1865, Martha 6 May 1866, all at Folkington. (FHL 1364155) Amy 1868 (died 1869), Richard 1870, Catherine 1871, Walter 1873, all at Frocester in Gloucestershire. James died in 1875 at Frocester. In the census of 1861 and 1871 he is shown as an ag. lab. After his death, in the 1881 census Fanny is shown a shopkeeper."

5. Censuses:
1841 Eng: Folkington, Sussex, p. 5 of 5, all born in same county:
Ric'd Dennis, 55, Ag Lab.
Ann, 17.
James, 15.
Sofier, fem., 13.

1851: Eng: Folkington, Sussex, #10, p. 3 of 9:
Richard Dennis, 62, widowed, b. Folkington, Sussex.

CHRISTENING:
1. Online Ordinance Index extraction FHL film 1235440, source no. 0097226, batch PO15971. Parents shown as Wm. and Hannah Dennis. Christening 20 Aug 1786, Folkington, Sussex, England. Name: Richd. Dennis.

DEATH:
1. From certificate of birth on file with me from the General Register Office: "No. 227, 11 Jun 1859 at Folkington, Richard Dennis, male, 72 years of age, agricultural laborer, reported by Eliza Merrick who was present at the death, 17 Swindon Street, Graysinn Road, London."
 		Dennis, Richard (I3834)
 
2608 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Mary (bapt. 16 Nov 1783, Arlington) married Jesse Piper from Hellingly at Arlington, FHL 1364150 on 6 Aug 1810. Children were Thomas 1811. (from the census). Mary died 9 Oct 1863 in Hellingly.

2. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] October 22, 2006: Thomas Piper, born about 1811, father Jesse, mother Mary Osborne, married 1. Harriett Hollamby 21 Oct 1835 (died before 1841) 2. Hannah Firrell 10 Dec 1847. They had a son, James about 1850.

3. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] Dec. 3, 2006: Jesse Piper (married to Mary Osborne 6 Aug 1810). He died on the 22 Oct 1853 at Hellingly in the registration district of Hailsham. He was a bricklayer aged 75 years, and died from Hepatic derangement. Mary Piper was present at the death. They seemed to have had only one child, Thomas, born in 1811.

4. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] December 17, 2006: Thomas Piper (born 1811) and Harriet Firrell (married 1847) had these Children, James H. 1850, Ebenezer Thomas 1852, John 1853, sarah 1855, Lucy 1858, Jesse 1863, Priscilla 1868.

5. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], April 01, 2007:
Thomas Piper (father Jesse mother Mary Osborne) born 1811, died 1887. Hannah (Firrell) died on 20 Sep 1882 at Upper Dicker, Hellingly aged 57 years fron cirrhosis. J.M. Piper, daughter-in-law was the informant. This is Jane Masters Woodward, wife of James Henry Piper. In the 1881 census Thomas (69), is with his son John Edward and his wife Fanny (Fletcher) at Horley in Surrey. Also there is Sarah Piper (26) and Jesse G. (18) John Edward is shown as a Draper and Grocer."

6. Censuses:
1841 Eng: Hellingly, Sussex, p. 7 or 12, all born in Sussex Co.:
Jesse Piper, 63, bricklayer.
Mary, 56.
Thomas, 30, bricklayer.

1851 Eng: Hellingly, Sussex, p. 24 of 33, #89:
Jesse Piper, 72, bricklayer, b. Sussex, Hellingly.
Mary Piper, wife, 65, b. Sussex, Blaklington.
A lodger.

CHRISTENING:
1. Ancestry.com's "England and Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906": Jesse Piper, chr. 31 Aug 1777 at Burwash, Sussex, England with parents William and Ann Piper. Burwash is about 15 miles from Hellingly.
 		Piper, Jesse (I3832)
 
2609 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Ruth (bapt. 20 Jul 1788 Arlington), married 25 Apr 1814 at Hailsham. FHL 1364156. Children were ??? William 1821, Eleanor 1819, Henry 1826, John 1823. (from the census). John Richardson died 13 Mar 1850 at Hailsham, Ruth 11 Dec 1875 at Hellingly.

2. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] October 22, 2006: The children of Ruth Osborne and John Richardson. I have copies of these marriages if you want, children are from the census 1851,1861:
1. Eleanor had a son, William James Richardson in 1844, married William Dray 24 Nov 1846. They had a son, Richard about 1849.
2. William (I'm still looking)
3. John married Harriett Fowler 19 Jun 1856. They had a daughter, Ellen Ruth about 1857
4. Henry married Jane Fowler 23 Oct 1847.They had daughters, Elizabeth, 1848, Mary Jane 1857.

3. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] Dec. 3, 2006: William Richardson (f. John m. Ruth Osborne) born 1821, married Jane Maria Bean on 20 Dec 1851. Children, John born 1852. Jane died in 1857 and William married Phebe Beartup in 1859. Their children were Sarah Jane 1860, Mary Ann 1862, James 1870. In the 1881 census William and Phebe are on their own at Herstmonceaux, Mary aged 18 is a dressmaker in Eastbourne. There is a James Richardson aged 11 at the Brighton Industrial School with two siblings, Minnie aged 11 and Ruth aged 8. Was this an orphanage? I have a death for a William Richardson in 1885 and Phebe Richardson in 1886. It is such a common name. I will send for some certificates to check.

4. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] December 17, 2006: 1881 census, Sarah Jane Richardson (21), house servant. (f. William m. Phebe).

5. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], April 01, 2007:
I have a correction to the family of William Richardson and Phoebe Beartup. Phoebe died on 4 Jan 1886 at Wartling, SSX aged 52 from abdominal tumours. William was the informant. William died in 1909 not 1885. Also James Henry, their son, born 1870 at Hove, died aged 1 year in 1871. All the information about the James aged 11 in 1881 is wrong.
Eleanor Richardson (married to William Dray 24 Nov 1846) died on 20 Jun 1892 at the Gatehouse, Chiddingly, aged 73 years from valve disease of the heart. The informant was William Dray. He died in 1899. Their only child, Richard Dray (born 1849), married Agnes Bridget Vaughy in London in 1875. He died in 1898. He was a Tobacconist / Newsagent.
Elizabeth Richardson (father John Richardson, mother Ruth Osborne) born 1817, married Charles Whiting 13 Feb 1837. Charles Whiteing died on 15 Oct 1900 at 22 Lansdowne Place, Hove, aged 86 years from plyoric obstruction. E.
A. Whiting, daughter, was the informant.

6. Censuses:
1841 Eng: District 2, Hailsham, Sussex, p. 7 of 12, Gtham Quarter, all born in Sussex:
John Richardson, 50, ag laborer.
Ruth Richardson, 50
William Richardson, 20, ag laborer.
Eleanor Richardson, 22
Henry Richardson, 15

DEATH:
1. Per copy of death certificate on file from the General Register Office: Hailsham Sub-district, Hailsham District, Sussex County, 1850, No. 229: Died 31 Mar 1850 at Hailsham, John Richardson, 66 years old, labourer, died of thyphoid 10 days, reported 6 Apr 1850 by Mary Limany? present at the death in Hailsham.
 		Richardson, John (I3833)
 
2610 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Thomas (bapt. 7 Apr 1782, Arlington) married Ann Richardson a widow, at Brighton, Sussex on 30 Dec 1826. Children were Jane 1827, George 1830, Sarah 1832, John 1834. (From the census). Thomas died 15 Mar 1845 at Hellingly, Sussex.

2. Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], November 03, 2006: Thomas Osborne (bapt. 7 Apr 1782 father Edmund) died 15 Mar 1845. The informants weren't always sure of the age. If you can't read and write you probably can't count either. In the 1851 census, Ann Osborne (Richardson), a widow and a housekeeper was at Waldron. With her was her son George aged 20, a brickmakers apprentice. In This census at Hailsham was her son John aged 16, a shoemakers apprentice and Jane aged 23, a house servant.

3. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] December 17, 2006: Ann Richardson (married to Thomas Osborne, 30 Dec 1826) was a widow and I do not know her single name. In 1851 census she says she is born in Hailsham about 1793/4. I'm still looking for her death.

4. Censuses:
1841 Eng: Hailsham, Sussex, p. 10 of 12, all born in same county:
Thomas Osborne, 60, Ag. Lab.
Ann, 45.
Jane, 14.
George, 11.
Sarah, 9.
John, 7.

1851 Eng: Waldron, Sussex, p. 7 of 23, Tidsmare Cottage?, #29:
Samuel Ralph, 30, bricklayer, b. Sussex, Waldron.
Ann Osbourn, servant, widow, 58, housekeeper, b. Sussex, Hailsham.
George Osbourn, servant, unm., 20, brickmaker laborer, b. Sussex, Hailsham.

1861 Eng: Horsham, Sussex, p. 38 of 44, #183, part of Normandy Almshouse with several others, may not be the same person due to variance on birthplace; however, I find no other Ann Osbornes in Sussex the right age unless she remarried:
Ann Osborn, 68, widow, formerly servant, b. Sussex, Horsham.

MARRIAGE:
1. Online Ordinance Index FHL film m135331 marriage extraction: Thomas Osborne and Ann Richardson, md. 30 Dec 1826 at Brighton, Sussex, England. Per notes above I believe Richardson may be a surname from a previous marriage.

DEATH:
1. Ancestry.com's "England and Wales Free BMD Index" indicates a death of Ann Osbourn, 3rd Quarter, 1869 in Horsham, Sussex, reported in vol. 2b, p. 163.
 		Ann (I3831)
 
2611 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], July 20, 2006: "Dear Kerry, my 3xggf was Walter, a brother to your Cornelius I. I have been tracing the family in England (I live in Australia) and might have some information for you. The parents of Cornelius and Walter were Edmond and Ann Bartholomew who were married in Folkington parish on 21 Nov 1771. He is shown as ORSBOUND. Ann was bapt.there on 21 Sep 1750 (she died aged 80 in Arlington 5 Oct 1820). Her parents were John Bartholomew and Ann Kyd who were married in Folkington on 18 Oct 1747. Also bapt. there on 28 Mar 1773 to Robert (this is an error - should be Edmund as there are no other Osbornes in the village) and Ann Orsbound a daughter named Dinah. Dinah and Cornelius married a brother and sister - John and Sarah Coleman in Arlington whose parents were Thomas Coleman and Ann Bartholomew (a relation?) who married on the 3 May 1771 in Hailsham. I have other information on this family if you would like it."

2. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 2, 2006: Second generation Dinah and John Coleman:
Reuben Coleman married Mary Pilbeam on 22 Oct 1818 at Burwash, Sussex. Children ??? Reuben 1826, Charles 1826, Alfred 1829, Sarah 1831, Edwin 1834, Louise 1835, Robert 1838, George 1841. (Taken from Arlington census.)
Luke Coleman married Caroline Russell on 26 Nov 1830 at Arlington. Children are Horace 1832, Susannah 1834, Mary 1836, Alfred 1841, Eliza 1843, James 1847, George 1851. (Taken from census.)
Thomas Coleman married Sarah Barnes on 30 Oct 1830 at Arlington. Children are Stephen 1833, Ruth 1835, Horace 1837, Edwin 1840, Margaret 1842, Emily 1844, William 1847. (Taken from Arlington census.)
Dinah Coleman married Trayton Crowhurst on 22 Dec 1827 at Arlington.
Mary Coleman married Leonard Boniface on 18 Aug 1824, died before 1833, at Arlington.
This is all the research I have on this family - lots of gaps.

3. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Dinah Osborne (bapt. 28 Mar 1773) married John Coleman (bapt. 26 Jul 1772 Arlington) on 18 Oct 1796 at Arlington. FHL 1364150. Their children were Mark bapt. 4 Jun 1797, Reuben 13 Jan 1799, Luke 24 Aug 1800, Diana 20 Jun 1802, Mary 27 May 1804, John 25 May 1806, Thomas 28 Feb 1808, Matthew 1 Apr 1810, Ruth 13 Sep 1812.
Dinah died 5 Feb 1852, John 30 Dec 1844, both at Hailsham.

4. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] December 17, 2006:
Reuben Coleman (bapt. 13 Jan 1799 f. John m. Dinah Osborne) died at Ar 25 Mar 1842, aged 44, from consumption. Mary Coleman, widow, was the informant.
Luke Coleman (bapt. 24 Aug 1800 f. John m. Dinah Osborne) died at Upper Dicker, Arlington 6 Aug 1866, aged 66 from pulmonary phthisis. George Coleman was the informant.
Sarah Barnes (married to Thomas Coleman 30 Oct 1830) was bapt. 24 Apr 1808 at Arlington. Her father was William Barnes, her mother Mary.

5. Censuses:
1841 Eng: Arlington, Sussex, p. 1 of 8, residents in a poorhouse:
John Coleman, 65, b. in Sussex.
Dinah Coleman, 65, b. in Sussex.

1851 Eng: Hailsham, Sussex, p. 9 of 43, #32, workhouse:
Dinah Coleman, widow, 81, pauper, b. Sussex, Arlington.

6. Email dated 12 Jun 2022 from "Barb" concerning the Coleman family:
"I was looking for John Coleman and Dinah nee Osborne and found your website. The details re this family match mine except for the firstborn in my records which is Mark Coleman born 1797. Mark joined the 80th Regiment of Foot and ended up in Australia, where I am now. He named one of his children Ruebin, another Diana (close enough to Dinah) I think, and a Thomas. If you are interested I can send his details to you. Love your website and am very happy to find you. Cheers from Barb, in Australia."

DEATH:
1. Per copy of death certificate on file from the General Register Office: Hailsham District, Sussex County, 1852, No. 395: Died 5 Feb 1852 at Hailsham workhouse, Dinah Coleman, female, 79 years, widow of John Coleman labourer, died of chronic gastritis 10 years exhaustion 3 months, reported 7 Feb 1852 by Sarah Gilbert present at the death in Hailsham.
 		Osborn, Dinah (I3824)
 
2612 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], July 20, 2006: "Dear kerry, my 3xggf was Walter,a brother to your Cornelius I. I have been tracing the family in England (I live in Australia) and might have some information for you. The parents of Cornelius and Walter were Edmond and Ann Bartholomew who were married in Folkington parish on 21 Nov 1771. He is shown as ORSBOUND. Ann was bapt.there on 21 Sep 1750 (she died aged 80 in Arlington 5 Oct 1820). Her parents were John Bartholomew and Ann Kyd who were married in Folkington on 18 Oct 1747. Also bapt. there on 28 Mar 1773 to Robert (this is an error - should be Edmund as there are no other Osbornes in the village)and Ann Orsbound a daughter named Dinah. Dinah and Cornelius married a brother and sister - John and Sarah Coleman in Arlington whose parents were Thomas Coleman and Ann Bartholomew (a relation ?) who married on the 3 May 1771 in Hailsham. I have other information on this family if you would like it."

2. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 2, 2006: FOLKINGTON-There are no other Kid / Kyd in the village so I think they moved on. There is a maybe with the Bartholomews. Burials show John, late clerk 18 Oct 1776 and Ann 8 Sep 1793.
 		Kyd or Kid, Ann (I3823)
 
2613 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], July 20, 2006: "Dear kerry, my 3xggf was Walter,a brother to your Cornelius I. I have been tracing the family in England (I live in Australia) and might have some information for you. The parents of Cornelius and Walter were Edmond and Ann Bartholomew who were married in Folkington parish on 21 Nov 1771. He is shown as ORSBOUND. Ann was bapt. there on 21 Sep 1750 (she died aged 80 in Arlington 5 Oct 1820). Her parents were John Bartholomew and Ann Kyd who were married in Folkington on 18 Oct 1747. Also bapt. there on 28 Mar 1773 to Robert (this is an error - should be Edmund as there are no other Osbornes in the village) and Ann Orsbound a daughter named Dinah. Dinah and Cornelius married a brother and sister - John and Sarah Coleman in Arlington whose parents were Thomas Coleman and Ann Bartholomew (a relation ?) who married on the 3 May 1771 in Hailsham. I have other information on this family if you would like it."

2. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 2, 2006: FOLKINGTON-There are no other Kid / Kyd in the village so I think they moved on. There is a maybe with the Bartholomews. Burials show John, late clerk 18 Oct 1776 and Ann 8 Sep 1793.
 		Bartholomew, John (I3822)
 
2614 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] 16 Aug 2006: Bartholomew Osborne (farm bailiff) and Sarah (Sally) Day.
Their daughter Elizabeth married John Akehurst (born 1798) on 10 May 1827 at Hailsham. Their children are John bapt. 12 Apr 1829, Bartholomew 7 Aug 1830, Caleb 9 Feb 1832, Sarah 31 Oct 1834, Ebenezer 1839, Samuel 1841, John Akehurst (butler) died 1871, Elizabeth 1892 aged 90.
Henry Osborne married Charlotte Swain (father Joseph, mother Mary Adams) on 23 Jun 1835 at St. Clements Hastings, Sussex. Henry was a printer/stationer. Their children were Joseph Swain bapt. 15 May 1836, Sarah Sophia 26 May 1837, (unable to trace these two - Joseph probably died before 1842). Henry born 1841, married Maria Elphick 1867, Joseph Ridley born 1842 married Hannah Cox 1868 (Joseph died in 1876 and his son Henry was brought up by his uncle Henry.) William Bartholomew born 1846 married Emily Mary Hyde on 3 Aug 1874. She died in 1875 and he married Hannah Birch in 1876. Charles Frederick born 1849 married Ellen Maria Brazzier in 1882. Henry died 2 Sep 1855 aged 49. The four younger boys and Joseph's son Henry were all trained as printers. Charlotte died in 1874.

2. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Bartholomew (bapt. 18 May 1777) married Sarah (Sally) Day (born 25 Apr 1779) at Tonbridge, Kent, father John Day mother Mary (FHL 82606) at Tonbridge 21 Apr 1801. FHL 883783. Children were Elizabeth bapt. 13 Dec 1802 at Arlington, Henry born 11 Nov 1805, Sarah Ann 28 Apr 1808, buried 10 Aug 1808 both at Hailsham FHL 1364156. Cannot find a death for Bartholomew or Sarah. Bart. was a widower in 1841& 1851 census at Hailsham.

3. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] Dec. 3, 2006:
Henry Osborne (f. Bartholomew m. Sarah Day) Charlotte Osborne (Swain) died on the 19 Sep 1874 at St. Clements, Hastings aged 63 years from an abdominal tumour. I have a marriage for Sarah Sophia Hallett Osborne (bapt. 26 May 1837) on 10 Dec 1864 at Hastings to William Richard Coad (f. Richard). Hallett was the farmer that Bartholomew was farm bailiff for in 1851. Sophia and William had 2 children 1. Charles William in 1869 who died in 1902 and 2. William Ernest in 1874 who married Edith Harriet Atkinson in 1896. Sarah died on 21 Dec 1892 aged 55 years at Hastings from cirrhosis of the liver. The informant was W.E.Coad. William Richard Coad died on 26 Mar 1894 aged 53 years at Whitstable in Kent. (His body was found floating in the sea.)
Henry Osborne (f. Henry) born 5 Mar 1841 married Maria Elphick 3 Nov 1867. No children.
Joseph Ridley Osborne (f. Henry) born 21 Dec 1842 married Hannah Jane Dash (not Hannah Cox). Their children were 1. Joseph Charles 1869, died 1874, 2. Charlotte Ann 1870, died 1875, 3. Henry 6 Dec 1872, (brought up by his uncle Henry). Joseph Ridley died on 29 Jan 1876 at Shoreditch in London aged 33 years from chronic bronchitis and pneumonia. The informant was his widow.
William Bartholomew (f. Henry) was born on 3 May 1875 [1846?] at Hastings. Emily Mary (Hide) died on 26 May 1875 at Hastings aged 26 years from tubercular phthisis. William B. married Hannah Burch in Guilforg on 8 Jun 1876. Their children were 1. Henry William 1878, 2. Emily 1879, 3. Ruth 1880, 4. Lily 1885.
Charles Frederick (f. Henry) was born on 19 Sep 1849. He married Ellen Maria Brazzier 5 Nov 1882. I don't think they had any Children.
Elizabeth Osborne (f. Bartholomew) married to John Akehurst. Their children are 1. John died 1839 2. Bartholomew (baker) died in 1862.3. Caleb (bootmaker) married Lucy Clarke (f. Arthur m. Elizabeth Pope) on 12 Feb 1860. Their children were: 1. Fanny 1860, 2. Annie Elizabeth 1861, 3. Albert Ernest 1863, 4. George Osborne 1865, 5. Arthur Frederick 1869. Caleb died in 1874.
Ebenezer born 18 July 1838
Samuel Henry born 20 Aug 1840.
John Akehurst died on 19 Mar 1871 at Sussex County Hospital at Brighton aged 73 years from exhaustion following an operation for cancer.
Elizabeth died on 7 Sep 1892 at Lewes aged 90 years from senile decay. L. Akehurst, daughter in law was the informant.
 		Day, Sarah or Sally (I3829)
 
2615 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] 16 Aug 2006: Walter Osborne (my 3xggf) and Mary Burgess. Mary was bapt 31 May 1789 at Benenden, the third of 17 children. Their children were Mary Ann (unable to trace), Martha married ? Thorpe, died 1882 at Hailsham, Sampson and Thomas (unable to trace), George (my 2xggf) married Hannah (Ann) Hoad 1 Jan 1852 in Hailsham. Their children were William (my ggf) born 1855 and bapt with Harriett Sophia on 16 May 1858 at Arlington. Harriett Sophia married Alfred John Barber. Mary Jane born 13 Feb 1861 married Daniel James in 1880 at Hailsham. Charles Henry born 15 Aug 1865 at Westham. Sophia Osborne never married. Henry and Harriet (unable to trace). Walter died 18 Dec 1842 and Mary 4 Nov 1872 both at Arlington. William came to Australia in 1874 aged 19. He and his father George were brickmakers and he lived in Brisbane, Queensland, Aust. all his life. I live about 40 km outside the city at Victoria Point.

2. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Walter (bapt. 4 Dec 1778 Arlington married Mary Burgess (bapt. 31May 1789 at Benenden, Kent. Father Samuel Burgess, mother Philadelphia Barnes married 16 May 1785 at Benenden.) children were Mary Ann bapt. 10 May 1812, Benenden, Martha 26 Dec 1813, Biddenden, Kent, Sampson 24 Sep 1815, Biddenden, (Thomas 30 Nov 1817 Arlington ??), George 18 Jun 1820, East Hoathly, (my 2xggf,) Sophia 20 Oct 1822, Henry 29 May 1825, Harriett 1828, Charles 12 May 1833, buried 16 Jun 1835 all at Arlington. Walter was buried 23 Dec 1842, Mary 16 Nov 1872 at Arlington.

3. Censuses:
1841 Eng: Arlington, Sussex, p. 3 of 8, residing Tyrhill, all born in same county:
Walter Osborne, 60, ag. lab.
Mary, 50,
Sophia, 20
Henry, 15
Harriot, 13

1861 Eng: Arlington, Sussex, #6, Res: Cane Heath, p. 2 of 15:
Mary Osborne, 72, b. Kent, Benerden.
Martha Osborne, dau., 47, b. Kent, Beddenden.
George Osborne, gson, 18, b. Sussex, Hellingly.

DEATH:
1. Per copy of death certificate on file from the General Register Office: Hailsham District, Sussex County, 1872, No. 375: Died 10 Nov 1872 at Arlington, Mary Osborn, female, 83 years, widow of Walter Osborn farm labourer, died of chronic dyspepsia and asthma 6 or 7 years, reported 11 Nov 1872 by Martha Thorpe present at death, Arlington.
 		Burgess, Mary (I3830)
 
2616 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] October 22, 2006: I have found another child for Thomas Daw at Warbleton. Lucy Daw was bapt. on 5 Jul 1767 with a father Thomas and no mother. This would be after Mary Bingham had died.
 		Daw, Lucy (I3211)
 
2617 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email from: Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] October 05, 2006:
"I have checked on the first marriage of Thomas Daw and Mary Bingham in Warbleton. They were married on the 6 Apr 1758 and had three children. The records note that there were blank pages from 1752 to 1761, so there could be other children. Mary Daw, wife of Thomas was buried in Warbleton on 15 Jun 1767. I would say that he is your Thomas Daw who married Mary Hilton in Willingdon on 17 Oct 1768. Their daughter Sarah had a child Ann bapt. 5 Apr 1792. Thomas Daw (married Elizabeth Mott) the elder was buried 2 Nov 1764. (FHL 504418 Warbleton) Mary Daw (Hilton) was buried 12 Oct 1783 in Westham. (FHL 504419)
In your notes you say your Edward Osborne died after 1879. In the census of 1891 Sarah Ann is a widow. The only death I can find is 17 Jan 1886. It shows Edward 48 years, a shoemaker but the widow is K. J. Osborne. Do you think this is yours ? The 1871 census shows Edward and Sarah with a new born daughter. This is Alice Maria who died after a few weeks. I can't find Edward and Sarah in the 1881 census (maybe a different spelling?) but there is a Cornelius Osborne aged 15, born in Woolwich on a training ship across the river in Essex.
I have found a death for Richard Dennis (husband of Eleanor Osborne). He died in Folkington on the 11 Jun 1859. Also I have some marriages and children for the next generation. Do you want these?"
 		Bingham, Mary (I2018)
 
2618 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Email of 16 Feb 2006 from Andrea Spatz [a_spatz@hotmail.com]: "I am researching my family tree and came across your entry for Nancy Horrell. I think that she maybe the sister to one of my gggg grandfather. I have a John Boyd Horrell whose father is Thomas Horrell whose father is John Boyd Horrell. The younger John Boyd and Thomas are from Napa, but moved to Shasta County. The elder John Boyd is from PA but moved to Napa with his wife Elizabeth. It seems to match with the info you put down for Nancy's family. I believe that the email that was sent to you by Jim Morrison was correct, at least it filled in a lot of holes that I had in my researches. I think the "sons" spoken of in the obit referred to her sons with John and not the sons John had with his previous wife (also named Elizabeth). (I also show John & Elizabeth in Napa on the 1870 Census living next door to Thomas).

BIOGRAPHY:
1. Napa Daily Register [newspaper for Napa, CA], Mar. 4, 1880 US: "Real estate transactions for week ending March 5th: L. Wilson to Nancy L Wilson: portion of block 5, Hill's addition to Napa City - Love and affection and $1."

2. The Napa Register [newspaper for Napa, CA], Oct. 3, 1890: "Death of 'Aunty' Horrell. Mrs. Elizabeth Horrell, known throughout the community as 'Aunty' Horrell, wife of John Horrell of this city, died at the home of the family on Calistoga avenue shortly after five o'clock Tuesday evening. For some time past she had been gradually failing and death was not unexpected. Her end was peaceful and easy. Deceased was born in Bedford county, Pennsylvania, July 8th, 1802, and was the mother of fifteen children, of whom two sons and one daughter survive her. The sons reside in the east and the daughter (Mrs. Winner) lives in St. Helena. She had lived in Napa with her husband, who also survives, for thirty-six years, and was loved and respected by all who knew her. A large circle of friends will mourn her decease. The funeral took place Thursday afternoon at two o'clock from the Methodist Episcopal church."

3. US Census 1880 for Napa, Napa, California per FHL film 1254069 or National Archives Film T9-0069, page 308D: Laforest Wilson, hackster, male, married, white, age 48, born Maine, parents both born Maine and Nancy N. Wilson, keeping house, female, married, white, age 52, born Pennsylvania, both parents born Pennsylvania.

4. Napa County Recorder's Office, Index Book.
Mortgagors: Winner, M. etux [and spouse] Book 31, 121.
Morgagees: Wm. Albro
Date: 17 Jan 1888. Discharged 25 Jun 1888, Release Book 4, page 295.
(Borrowed money from Albro.)
"M. Winner and Nancy L.M. Winner of Hot Springs Township, county of Napa, State of California ... real property situate (sic) in Calistoga, Napa County, State of California and described as folllows to wit: lot 7, block F, Calistoga Proper, said lot being sixty (60) feet frontage on Lake County Road by 205 feet deep, running back to 4th Street."

BIRTH:
1. Derived from age at time of death.

MARRIAGE:
1. First:

2. Second: "Napa County California Marriages 1850-1905, Copied from records in the Napa County Recorder's Office by members of the Napa Valley Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1701 Menlo Ave., Napa, California, 94558, Book B, Pages 200-400, (Book B, p. 395): Winner, Moroni resident of Napa, Napa Co. age 43 and Nancy A. [Horrell] Wilson, age 49 [I believe this age was untruthful because she is 68 when she dies 10 years later]; marriage date: 7 Oct 1883; recorded 8 Oct 1883; nativity: New Jersey and Penn.; Married by W.B. Berry, V.D.M. in Napa City and witnessed by J.B. Horrell and Mrs. Elizabeth Horrell both of Napa City; parents of the groom both of New Jersey; parents of the spouse: Penn; Both parties married before.

DEATH:
1. "Napa County, California Deaths 1873-1905, Vol. 19, Copied from records in the Napa County Recorder's Office by members of the Napa Valley Genealogical and Biographical Society, 1701 Menlo Ave., Napa, California, 94558, 1981, Vol. 1, p. 365: Nancy Winner, age 68 years 2 months, female, married. Nativity: Tennessee. Last Place of Residence: Walnut Creek. Burial: Tulocay Cemetery in Napa, Napa, CA., Cause of death: Gastritus and Emtritus. [Even though the record says Tennessee, I believe Pennsylvania is actually correct.]

2. "Death Notices Contra Costa Co., CA, 1860-1899": "Winer, near Walnut Creek, May 23, 1893, Mrs. Nancy Winer, a native of penn. age 64 years. "Contra Costa Gazette" 27 May 1893. [Note I looked up the actual article and it does not contain any additional information.]

BURIAL:
1. Napa Daily Journal [newspaper for Napa, CA], Wednesday, May 24, 1893: "Death of Mrs. Winner. Mrs. L.M. Winner (formerly Mrs. A. Wilson) died at Walnut Creek, Contra Costa county, Monday night. Deceased was daughter of the late 'Aunty' Horrell, and was well known in Napa, where she resided for many years. The remains will be brought to Napa this morning on the train, and the funeral will take place at 2 o'clock this afternoon from D.S. Kyser's undertaking parlors. Freinds and acquaintances are invite to attend."

2. The remains of the late Mrs. Winner failed to arrive in Napa Wednesday as expected, but will arrive this eveining and the funeral will take place Friday morning at 9 o'clock from D.S. Kyser's undertaking parlor. Mr Winner arrived in Napa Wednesday evening."

3. Napa Daily Journal [newspaper for Napa, CA], May 26, 1893: "The remains of Mrs. Winner arrived in Napa on last evening's train, and the funeral will take place at 9 o'clock this morning from Kyser's undertaking parlors."

4. Per Tulocay Cemetery Records, Napa, Napa, California: Same information as "Death" above except it is noted that his last place of residence was Napa. Buried in lot 19, block 97, exact plot unknown, but L.W. Wilson is in plot 2 [other 5 plots in this lot show empty]. Lot 19 bought by Mrs. Nancy Wilson on 3 Jan 1883. The adjoining lot 20 was purchased on 1 Jul 1882 by J.A. Horrell, Nancy father. Buried in this lot are all Horrell family: Joseph A., Adelaide, William Allen, Anna C., Elizabeth, and J.B.
 		Horrell, Nancy A. or F. (I3550)
 
2619 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from August 2018 from Noel Stocker
A. From a July 2018 research report from RW Price to Noel Stoker. The Feldberg records were searched for christenings and deaths 1639-1739 and marriages 1639-1721. All entries up to 1721 are on film 1189398 item 5. The christenings between 1722 and 1739 are on film 1189398 item 6. They found the oldest Stockers in the database were the following as quoted from the report:
-- Hans Stocker (born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649 in Feldberg) with children: Hans Heinrich Stocker (married to Ursula Muller), Anna Stocker (married to Friedrich Kleinhenne), and Verena Stocker (married to Peter Hertzog). Having this death date, places this Hans as the previously found Hans, born about 1580, who was placed as father of the ancestor, Christian (LRT1-Z9R). It appears we already attached Heinrich to this Hans, but I went ahead and attached Anna and Verena. Previously we had Verena/Verona attached as daughter of a Hans with no other information. The burial record reads that he was buried on the 25th and was ill in bed for 9 days prior to his death. He was a carpenter (the type who construct roof frames on homes) from Gennenbach.
-- David Stocker (born about 1615 in Switzerland) married to Margretha and with son, Hanss Stocker (1649-1663). Hans was born in Switzerland but his burial was in Feldberg. David Stocker was not in the 2017 September report nor can I yet find the family on Family Tree.
The Gennenbach parish was contacted and the response was that there are no additional parish records in existence at the present day for Gennenbach.
Hans Stocker born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649. This would make him the same person as the Hans we already knew about and placed as father of the ancestor, Christian. But, Milan had him also as father of Anna and Verena. He was a carpenter. Do we know the occupation of Christian? If he was also a carpenter, that might add more credibility to Hans being the father.
David Stocker, born about 1615 in Switzerland. He was married to Margretha with son Hanss Stoker (1649-1663). Hans was also born in Switzerland, but his burial was in Feldberg.
B. Noel's hired researcher Milan Pohontsch [mpohontsch@gmail.com] confirmed the following entry on July 29, 2018 on a thorough research of the Feldberg church records. The image is for the burial of David's son Hanss Stocker (buried 1 September 1663.) The image is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-GQBT-M?i=529&cat=133625 (image 530) on the Feldberg film. Milan translates the record as:
"On the 1st of September, of David Stocker from the Swiss land of Bottenwyl [not sure about spelling, but there exists a Bottenwil in the Canton of Aargau] and Margaretha, his house wife, their 14-year old son: Hannß
Milan also notes: "I haven't a Swiss gazetteer here, but the church building could be Zofingen (my guess without checking)."
C. My comments to Noel Stoker: So how are you accounting for the new David Stocker -- as a brother to Christian (and son of the original Hans) or as a sibling to Hans? I note that David has a son named Hans, which seems to perhaps indicate some familial relationship since the name Hans is recycled. In any case David's origins in Switzerland seems to be providential. Perhaps the Rottwell we were looking for before is the same as David's Bottenwil?
D. Franz Anton Stocker from our research in Oberotweil in Germany was from Canton Aargau is of particular interest since Bottenwyl is also in Argau. 		Margretha (I5766)
 
2620 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from August 2018 from Noel Stocker
A. From a July 2018 research report from RW Price to Noel Stoker. The Feldberg records were searched for christenings and deaths 1639-1739 and marriages 1639-1721. All entries up to 1721 are on film 1189398 item 5. The christenings between 1722 and 1739 are on film 1189398 item 6. They found the oldest Stockers in the database were the following as quoted from the report:
-- Hans Stocker (born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649 in Feldberg) with children: Hans Heinrich Stocker (married to Ursula Muller), Anna Stocker (married to Friedrich Kleinhenne), and Verena Stocker (married to Peter Hertzog). Having this death date, places this Hans as the previously found Hans, born about 1580, who was placed as father of the ancestor, Christian (LRT1-Z9R). It appears we already attached Heinrich to this Hans, but I went ahead and attached Anna and Verena. Previously we had Verena/Verona attached as daughter of a Hans with no other information. The burial record reads that he was buried on the 25th and was ill in bed for 9 days prior to his death. He was a carpenter (the type who construct roof frames on homes) from Gennenbach.
-- David Stocker (born about 1615 in Switzerland) married to Margretha and with son, Hanss Stocker (1649-1663). Hans was born in Switzerland but his burial was in Feldberg. David Stocker was not in the 2017 September report nor can I yet find the family on Family Tree.
The Gennenbach parish was contacted and the response was that there are no additional parish records in existence at the present day for Gennenbach.
Hans Stocker born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649. This would make him the same person as the Hans we already knew about and placed as father of the ancestor, Christian. But, Milan had him also as father of Anna and Verena. He was a carpenter. Do we know the occupation of Christian? If he was also a carpenter, that might add more credibility to Hans being the father.
David Stocker, born about 1615 in Switzerland. He was married to Margretha with son Hanss Stoker (1649-1663). Hans was also born in Switzerland, but his burial was in Feldberg.
B. Noel's hired researcher Milan Pohontsch [mpohontsch@gmail.com] confirmed the following entry on July 29, 2018 on a thorough research of the Feldberg church records. The image is for the burial of David's son Hanss Stocker (buried 1 September 1663.) The image is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-GQBT-M?i=529&cat=133625 (image 530) on the Feldberg film. Milan translates the record as:
"On the 1st of September, of David Stocker from the Swiss land of Bottenwyl [not sure about spelling, but there exists a Bottenwil in the Canton of Aargau] and Margaretha, his house wife, their 14-year old son: Hannß
Milan also notes: "I haven't a Swiss gazetteer here, but the church building could be Zofingen (my guess without checking)."
C. So how are you accounting for the new David Stocker -- as a brother to Christian (and son of the original Hans) or as a sibling to Hans? I note that David has a son named Hans, which seems to perhaps indicate some familial relationship since the name Hans is recycled. In any case David's origins in Switzerland seems to be providential. Perhaps the Rottwell we were looking for before is the same as David's Bottenwil?
D. Franz Anton Stocker from our research in Oberotweil in Germany was from Canton Aargau is of particular interest since Bottenwyl is also in Argau. 		Stocker, David (I5765)
 
2621 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from August 2018 from Noel Stocker
A. From a July 2018 research report from RW Price to Noel Stoker. The Feldberg records were searched for christenings and deaths 1639-1739 and marriages 1639-1721. All entries up to 1721 are on film 1189398 item 5. The christenings between 1722 and 1739 are on film 1189398 item 6. They found the oldest Stockers in the database were the following as quoted from the report:
-- Hans Stocker (born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649 in Feldberg) with children: Hans Heinrich Stocker (married to Ursula Muller), Anna Stocker (married to Friedrich Kleinhenne), and Verena Stocker (married to Peter Hertzog). Having this death date, places this Hans as the previously found Hans, born about 1580, who was placed as father of the ancestor, Christian (LRT1-Z9R). It appears we already attached Heinrich to this Hans, but I went ahead and attached Anna and Verena. Previously we had Verena/Verona attached as daughter of a Hans with no other information. The burial record reads that he was buried on the 25th and was ill in bed for 9 days prior to his death. He was a carpenter (the type who construct roof frames on homes) from Gennenbach.
-- David Stocker (born about 1615 in Switzerland) married to Margretha and with son, Hanss Stocker (1649-1663). Hans was born in Switzerland but his burial was in Feldberg. David Stocker was not in the 2017 September report nor can I yet find the family on Family Tree.
The Gennenbach parish was contacted and the response was that there are no additional parish records in existence at the present day for Gennenbach.
Hans Stocker born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649. This would make him the same person as the Hans we already knew about and placed as father of the ancestor, Christian. But, Milan had him also as father of Anna and Verena. He was a carpenter. Do we know the occupation of Christian? If he was also a carpenter, that might add more credibility to Hans being the father.
David Stocker, born about 1615 in Switzerland. He was married to Margretha with son Hanss Stoker (1649-1663). Hans was also born in Switzerland, but his burial was in Feldberg.
B. Noel's hired researcher Milan Pohontsch [mpohontsch@gmail.com] confirmed the following entry on July 29, 2018 on a thorough research of the Feldberg church records. The image is for the burial of David's son Hanss Stocker (buried 1 September 1663.) The image is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-GQBT-M?i=529&cat=133625 (image 530) on the Feldberg film. Milan translates the record as:
"On the 1st of September, of David Stocker from the Swiss land of Bottenwyl [not sure about spelling, but there exists a Bottenwil in the Canton of Aargau] and Margaretha, his house wife, their 14-year old son: Hannß
Milan also notes: "I haven't a Swiss gazetteer here, but the church building could be Zofingen (my guess without checking)." 		Kleinhenne, Fridterich (I5763)
 
2622 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from August 2018 from Noel Stocker
A. From a July 2018 research report from RW Price to Noel Stoker. The Feldberg records were searched for christenings and deaths 1639-1739 and marriages 1639-1721. All entries up to 1721 are on film 1189398 item 5. The christenings between 1722 and 1739 are on film 1189398 item 6. They found the oldest Stockers in the database were the following as quoted from the report:
-- Hans Stocker (born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649 in Feldberg) with children: Hans Heinrich Stocker (married to Ursula Muller), Anna Stocker (married to Friedrich Kleinhenne), and Verena Stocker (married to Peter Hertzog). Having this death date, places this Hans as the previously found Hans, born about 1580, who was placed as father of the ancestor, Christian (LRT1-Z9R). It appears we already attached Heinrich to this Hans, but I went ahead and attached Anna and Verena. Previously we had Verena/Verona attached as daughter of a Hans with no other information. The burial record reads that he was buried on the 25th and was ill in bed for 9 days prior to his death. He was a carpenter (the type who construct roof frames on homes) from Gennenbach.
-- David Stocker (born about 1615 in Switzerland) married to Margretha and with son, Hanss Stocker (1649-1663). Hans was born in Switzerland but his burial was in Feldberg. David Stocker was not in the 2017 September report nor can I yet find the family on Family Tree.
The Gennenbach parish was contacted and the response was that there are no additional parish records in existence at the present day for Gennenbach.
Hans Stocker born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649. This would make him the same person as the Hans we already knew about and placed as father of the ancestor, Christian. But, Milan had him also as father of Anna and Verena. He was a carpenter. Do we know the occupation of Christian? If he was also a carpenter, that might add more credibility to Hans being the father.
David Stocker, born about 1615 in Switzerland. He was married to Margretha with son Hanss Stoker (1649-1663). Hans was also born in Switzerland, but his burial was in Feldberg.
B. Noel's hired researcher Milan Pohontsch [mpohontsch@gmail.com] confirmed the following entry on July 29, 2018 on a thorough research of the Feldberg church records. The image is for the burial of David's son Hanss Stocker (buried 1 September 1663.) The image is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-GQBT-M?i=529&cat=133625 (image 530) on the Feldberg film. Milan translates the record as:
"On the 1st of September, of David Stocker from the Swiss land of Bottenwyl [not sure about spelling, but there exists a Bottenwil in the Canton of Aargau] and Margaretha, his house wife, their 14-year old son: Hannß
Milan also notes: "I haven't a Swiss gazetteer here, but the church building could be Zofingen (my guess without checking)."

2. Email dated 19 Jun 2019 from Noel Stocker. This email was in response to some indexed records I found and attached on Family Search:
"See below Milan’s translation and comments. I am happy to confirm that Hans, who died in 1649, is the father of Christian, Heinrich, Verona, and Anna. Also that Anna was the name of his wife. It does not give us a clue as to where they came from, as ‘Kirchen’ is not evident in the record according to Milan."
Noel cites Milan's research from the following:
From: D Rogers
Subject: Your questions
Date: June 18, 2019 at 8:53:20 PM PDT
Milan was finally able to get to your questions. He had his daughter visiting from Germany and then had several unexpected issues come up that he had to take care of. So, here is his answer. I hope this helps. - Diane
From Milan:
In the two marriage records (see links sent by Noel) I can't see anywhere the word "Kirchen". I see Gennenbach and Feldberg, but no Kirchen.
When I compare the information gained from the marriage records, then Heinrich Stocker is very likely a younger brother of Christian (abt.1605-1669) and a son of Hans (abt.1580-1649). In this case, Heinrich's and Christian's mother would be Anna, a name not recorded yet in the PAF-version I have from an older project. The marriage record of Heinrich (from 1656) lists Hans Stocker as deceased. According to prior research he did die in 1649. The other marriage entry would then be for Anna, the widow of Hans, who remarried in 1651 (with Uhlin Müller). Also the towns Gennenbach and Feldberg fit perfectly into the picture.
And the link to the christening is definitely a son of Heinrich Stocker. Two of the three documents mentioned here, with the exception of the 2nd marriage of Anna, were already found during the March 2018 project. The data was entered by me into a separate PAF-file. I assume that in the meantime they found it's way into FamilySearch. It would be easy to connect those families.
Since Noel asked for a translation of the marriage record, here it is:
On the Sexagesina Sunday (which was on the 10 Feb., in 1656) were married Heinrich Stocker of Gennenbach, legitimate son of the deceased Hans Stocker, the late citizen and carpenter of the same town, married with Ursula, legitimate daughter of the deceased Hans Müller, the late citizen and finish carpenter of Veldtberg (=Feldberg). Because of poverty, the couple was married in their home without an appropriate ceremony and without an invitation for any wedding guests."
Milan" 		Stocker, Anna (I5762)
 
2623 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from August 2018 from Noel Stocker
A. From a July 2018 research report from RW Price to Noel Stoker. The Feldberg records were searched for christenings and deaths 1639-1739 and marriages 1639-1721. All entries up to 1721 are on film 1189398 item 5. The christenings between 1722 and 1739 are on film 1189398 item 6. They found the oldest Stockers in the database were the following as quoted from the report:
-- Hans Stocker (born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649 in Feldberg) with children: Hans Heinrich Stocker (married to Ursula Muller), Anna Stocker (married to Friedrich Kleinhenne), and Verena Stocker (married to Peter Hertzog). Having this death date, places this Hans as the previously found Hans, born about 1580, who was placed as father of the ancestor, Christian (LRT1-Z9R). It appears we already attached Heinrich to this Hans, but I went ahead and attached Anna and Verena. Previously we had Verena/Verona attached as daughter of a Hans with no other information. The burial record reads that he was buried on the 25th and was ill in bed for 9 days prior to his death. He was a carpenter (the type who construct roof frames on homes) from Gennenbach.
-- David Stocker (born about 1615 in Switzerland) married to Margretha and with son, Hanss Stocker (1649-1663). Hans was born in Switzerland but his burial was in Feldberg. David Stocker was not in the 2017 September report nor can I yet find the family on Family Tree.
The Gennenbach parish was contacted and the response was that there are no additional parish records in existence at the present day for Gennenbach.
Hans Stocker born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649. This would make him the same person as the Hans we already knew about and placed as father of the ancestor, Christian. But, Milan had him also as father of Anna and Verena. He was a carpenter. Do we know the occupation of Christian? If he was also a carpenter, that might add more credibility to Hans being the father.
David Stocker, born about 1615 in Switzerland. He was married to Margretha with son Hanss Stoker (1649-1663). Hans was also born in Switzerland, but his burial was in Feldberg.
B. Noel's hired researcher Milan Pohontsch [mpohontsch@gmail.com] confirmed the following entry on July 29, 2018 on a thorough research of the Feldberg church records. The image is for the burial of David's son Hanss Stocker (buried 1 September 1663.) The image is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-GQBT-M?i=529&cat=133625 (image 530) on the Feldberg film. Milan translates the record as:
"On the 1st of September, of David Stocker from the Swiss land of Bottenwyl [not sure about spelling, but there exists a Bottenwil in the Canton of Aargau] and Margaretha, his house wife, their 14-year old son: Hannß
Milan also notes: "I haven't a Swiss gazetteer here, but the church building could be Zofingen (my guess without checking)." 		Hertzogen, Peter (I5761)
 
2624 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from August 2018 from Noel Stocker
A. From a July 2018 research report from RW Price to Noel Stoker. The Feldberg records were searched for christenings and deaths 1639-1739 and marriages 1639-1721. All entries up to 1721 are on film 1189398 item 5. The christenings between 1722 and 1739 are on film 1189398 item 6. They found the oldest Stockers in the database were the following as quoted from the report:
-- Hans Stocker (born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649 in Feldberg) with children: Hans Heinrich Stocker (married to Ursula Muller), Anna Stocker (married to Friedrich Kleinhenne), and Verena Stocker (married to Peter Hertzog). Having this death date, places this Hans as the previously found Hans, born about 1580, who was placed as father of the ancestor, Christian (LRT1-Z9R). It appears we already attached Heinrich to this Hans, but I went ahead and attached Anna and Verena. Previously we had Verena/Verona attached as daughter of a Hans with no other information. The burial record reads that he was buried on the 25th and was ill in bed for 9 days prior to his death. He was a carpenter (the type who construct roof frames on homes) from Gennenbach.
-- David Stocker (born about 1615 in Switzerland) married to Margretha and with son, Hanss Stocker (1649-1663). Hans was born in Switzerland but his burial was in Feldberg. David Stocker was not in the 2017 September report nor can I yet find the family on Family Tree.
The Gennenbach parish was contacted and the response was that there are no additional parish records in existence at the present day for Gennenbach.
Hans Stocker born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649. This would make him the same person as the Hans we already knew about and placed as father of the ancestor, Christian. But, Milan had him also as father of Anna and Verena. He was a carpenter. Do we know the occupation of Christian? If he was also a carpenter, that might add more credibility to Hans being the father.
David Stocker, born about 1615 in Switzerland. He was married to Margretha with son Hanss Stoker (1649-1663). Hans was also born in Switzerland, but his burial was in Feldberg.
B. Noel's hired researcher Milan Pohontsch [mpohontsch@gmail.com] confirmed the following entry on July 29, 2018 on a thorough research of the Feldberg church records. The image is for the burial of David's son Hanss Stocker (buried 1 September 1663.) The image is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-GQBT-M?i=529&cat=133625 (image 530) on the Feldberg film. Milan translates the record as:
"On the 1st of September, of David Stocker from the Swiss land of Bottenwyl [not sure about spelling, but there exists a Bottenwil in the Canton of Aargau] and Margaretha, his house wife, their 14-year old son: Hannß
Milan also notes: "I haven't a Swiss gazetteer here, but the church building could be Zofingen (my guess without checking)."

2. Email dated 19 Jun 2019 from Noel Stocker. This email was in response to some indexed records I found and attached on Family Search:
"See below Milan’s translation and comments. I am happy to confirm that Hans, who died in 1649, is the father of Christian, Heinrich, Verona, and Anna. Also that Anna was the name of his wife. It does not give us a clue as to where they came from, as ‘Kirchen’ is not evident in the record according to Milan."
Noel cites Milan's research from the following:
From: D Rogers
Subject: Your questions
Date: June 18, 2019 at 8:53:20 PM PDT
Milan was finally able to get to your questions. He had his daughter visiting from Germany and then had several unexpected issues come up that he had to take care of. So, here is his answer. I hope this helps. - Diane
From Milan:
In the two marriage records (see links sent by Noel) I can't see anywhere the word "Kirchen". I see Gennenbach and Feldberg, but no Kirchen.
When I compare the information gained from the marriage records, then Heinrich Stocker is very likely a younger brother of Christian (abt.1605-1669) and a son of Hans (abt.1580-1649). In this case, Heinrich's and Christian's mother would be Anna, a name not recorded yet in the PAF-version I have from an older project. The marriage record of Heinrich (from 1656) lists Hans Stocker as deceased. According to prior research he did die in 1649. The other marriage entry would then be for Anna, the widow of Hans, who remarried in 1651 (with Uhlin Müller). Also the towns Gennenbach and Feldberg fit perfectly into the picture.
And the link to the christening is definitely a son of Heinrich Stocker. Two of the three documents mentioned here, with the exception of the 2nd marriage of Anna, were already found during the March 2018 project. The data was entered by me into a separate PAF-file. I assume that in the meantime they found it's way into FamilySearch. It would be easy to connect those families.
Since Noel asked for a translation of the marriage record, here it is:
On the Sexagesina Sunday (which was on the 10 Feb., in 1656) were married Heinrich Stocker of Gennenbach, legitimate son of the deceased Hans Stocker, the late citizen and carpenter of the same town, married with Ursula, legitimate daughter of the deceased Hans Müller, the late citizen and finish carpenter of Veldtberg (=Feldberg). Because of poverty, the couple was married in their home without an appropriate ceremony and without an invitation for any wedding guests."
Milan" 		Stocker, Verona (I5760)
 
2625 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from August 2018 from Noel Stocker
A. From a July 2018 research report from RW Price to Noel Stoker. The Feldberg records were searched for christenings and deaths 1639-1739 and marriages 1639-1721. All entries up to 1721 are on film 1189398 item 5. The christenings between 1722 and 1739 are on film 1189398 item 6. They found the oldest Stockers in the database were the following as quoted from the report:
-- Hans Stocker (born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649 in Feldberg) with children: Hans Heinrich Stocker (married to Ursula Muller), Anna Stocker (married to Friedrich Kleinhenne), and Verena Stocker (married to Peter Hertzog). Having this death date, places this Hans as the previously found Hans, born about 1580, who was placed as father of the ancestor, Christian (LRT1-Z9R). It appears we already attached Heinrich to this Hans, but I went ahead and attached Anna and Verena. Previously we had Verena/Verona attached as daughter of a Hans with no other information. The burial record reads that he was buried on the 25th and was ill in bed for 9 days prior to his death. He was a carpenter (the type who construct roof frames on homes) from Gennenbach.
-- David Stocker (born about 1615 in Switzerland) married to Margretha and with son, Hanss Stocker (1649-1663). Hans was born in Switzerland but his burial was in Feldberg. David Stocker was not in the 2017 September report nor can I yet find the family on Family Tree.
The Gennenbach parish was contacted and the response was that there are no additional parish records in existence at the present day for Gennenbach.
Hans Stocker born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649. This would make him the same person as the Hans we already knew about and placed as father of the ancestor, Christian. But, Milan had him also as father of Anna and Verena. He was a carpenter. Do we know the occupation of Christian? If he was also a carpenter, that might add more credibility to Hans being the father.
David Stocker, born about 1615 in Switzerland. He was married to Margretha with son Hanss Stoker (1649-1663). Hans was also born in Switzerland, but his burial was in Feldberg.
B. Noel's hired researcher Milan Pohontsch [mpohontsch@gmail.com] confirmed the following entry on July 29, 2018 on a thorough research of the Feldberg church records. The image is for the burial of David's son Hanss Stocker (buried 1 September 1663.) The image is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-GQBT-M?i=529&cat=133625 (image 530) on the Feldberg film. Milan translates the record as:
"On the 1st of September, of David Stocker from the Swiss land of Bottenwyl [not sure about spelling, but there exists a Bottenwil in the Canton of Aargau] and Margaretha, his house wife, their 14-year old son: Hannß
Milan also notes: "I haven't a Swiss gazetteer here, but the church building could be Zofingen (my guess without checking)."

2. Email dated 19 Jun 2019 from Noel Stocker. This email was in response to some indexed records I found and attached on Family Search:
"See below Milan’s translation and comments. I am happy to confirm that Hans, who died in 1649, is the father of Christian, Heinrich, Verona, and Anna. Also that Anna was the name of his wife. It does not give us a clue as to where they came from, as ‘Kirchen’ is not evident in the record according to Milan."
Noel cites Milan's research from the following:
From: D Rogers
Subject: Your questions
Date: June 18, 2019 at 8:53:20 PM PDT
Milan was finally able to get to your questions. He had his daughter visiting from Germany and then had several unexpected issues come up that he had to take care of. So, here is his answer. I hope this helps. - Diane
From Milan:
In the two marriage records (see links sent by Noel) I can't see anywhere the word "Kirchen". I see Gennenbach and Feldberg, but no Kirchen.
When I compare the information gained from the marriage records, then Heinrich Stocker is very likely a younger brother of Christian (abt.1605-1669) and a son of Hans (abt.1580-1649). In this case, Heinrich's and Christian's mother would be Anna, a name not recorded yet in the PAF-version I have from an older project. The marriage record of Heinrich (from 1656) lists Hans Stocker as deceased. According to prior research he did die in 1649. The other marriage entry would then be for Anna, the widow of Hans, who remarried in 1651 (with Uhlin Müller). Also the towns Gennenbach and Feldberg fit perfectly into the picture.
And the link to the christening is definitely a son of Heinrich Stocker. Two of the three documents mentioned here, with the exception of the 2nd marriage of Anna, were already found during the March 2018 project. The data was entered by me into a separate PAF-file. I assume that in the meantime they found it's way into FamilySearch. It would be easy to connect those families.
Since Noel asked for a translation of the marriage record, here it is:
On the Sexagesina Sunday (which was on the 10 Feb., in 1656) were married Heinrich Stocker of Gennenbach, legitimate son of the deceased Hans Stocker, the late citizen and carpenter of the same town, married with Ursula, legitimate daughter of the deceased Hans Müller, the late citizen and finish carpenter of Veldtberg (=Feldberg). Because of poverty, the couple was married in their home without an appropriate ceremony and without an invitation for any wedding guests."
Milan" 		Müller, Ursula (I5310)
 
2626 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from August 2018 from Noel Stocker
A. From a July 2018 research report from RW Price to Noel Stoker. The Feldberg records were searched for christenings and deaths 1639-1739 and marriages 1639-1721. All entries up to 1721 are on film 1189398 item 5. The christenings between 1722 and 1739 are on film 1189398 item 6. They found the oldest Stockers in the database were the following as quoted from the report:
-- Hans Stocker (born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649 in Feldberg) with children: Hans Heinrich Stocker (married to Ursula Muller), Anna Stocker (married to Friedrich Kleinhenne), and Verena Stocker (married to Peter Hertzog). Having this death date, places this Hans as the previously found Hans, born about 1580, who was placed as father of the ancestor, Christian (LRT1-Z9R). It appears we already attached Heinrich to this Hans, but I went ahead and attached Anna and Verena. Previously we had Verena/Verona attached as daughter of a Hans with no other information. The burial record reads that he was buried on the 25th and was ill in bed for 9 days prior to his death. He was a carpenter (the type who construct roof frames on homes) from Gennenbach.
-- David Stocker (born about 1615 in Switzerland) married to Margretha and with son, Hanss Stocker (1649-1663). Hans was born in Switzerland but his burial was in Feldberg. David Stocker was not in the 2017 September report nor can I yet find the family on Family Tree.
The Gennenbach parish was contacted and the response was that there are no additional parish records in existence at the present day for Gennenbach.
Hans Stocker born about 1600 and died 25 January 1649. This would make him the same person as the Hans we already knew about and placed as father of the ancestor, Christian. But, Milan had him also as father of Anna and Verena. He was a carpenter. Do we know the occupation of Christian? If he was also a carpenter, that might add more credibility to Hans being the father.
David Stocker, born about 1615 in Switzerland. He was married to Margretha with son Hanss Stoker (1649-1663). Hans was also born in Switzerland, but his burial was in Feldberg.
B. Noel's hired researcher Milan Pohontsch [mpohontsch@gmail.com] confirmed the following entry on July 29, 2018 on a thorough research of the Feldberg church records. The image is for the burial of David's son Hanss Stocker (buried 1 September 1663.) The image is at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWC-GQBT-M?i=529&cat=133625 (image 530) on the Feldberg film. Milan translates the record as:
"On the 1st of September, of David Stocker from the Swiss land of Bottenwyl [not sure about spelling, but there exists a Bottenwil in the Canton of Aargau] and Margaretha, his house wife, their 14-year old son: Hannß
Milan also notes: "I haven't a Swiss gazetteer here, but the church building could be Zofingen (my guess without checking)."

2. Email dated 19 Jun 2019 from Noel Stocker. This email was in response to some indexed records I found and attached on Family Search:
"See below Milan’s translation and comments. I am happy to confirm that Hans, who died in 1649, is the father of Christian, Heinrich, Verona, and Anna. Also that Anna was the name of his wife. It does not give us a clue as to where they came from, as ‘Kirchen’ is not evident in the record according to Milan."
Noel cites Milan's research from the following:
From: D Rogers
Subject: Your questions
Date: June 18, 2019 at 8:53:20 PM PDT
Milan was finally able to get to your questions. He had his daughter visiting from Germany and then had several unexpected issues come up that he had to take care of. So, here is his answer. I hope this helps. - Diane
From Milan:
In the two marriage records (see links sent by Noel) I can't see anywhere the word "Kirchen". I see Gennenbach and Feldberg, but no Kirchen.
When I compare the information gained from the marriage records, then Heinrich Stocker is very likely a younger brother of Christian (abt.1605-1669) and a son of Hans (abt.1580-1649). In this case, Heinrich's and Christian's mother would be Anna, a name not recorded yet in the PAF-version I have from an older project. The marriage record of Heinrich (from 1656) lists Hans Stocker as deceased. According to prior research he did die in 1649. The other marriage entry would then be for Anna, the widow of Hans, who remarried in 1651 (with Uhlin Müller). Also the towns Gennenbach and Feldberg fit perfectly into the picture.
And the link to the christening is definitely a son of Heinrich Stocker. Two of the three documents mentioned here, with the exception of the 2nd marriage of Anna, were already found during the March 2018 project. The data was entered by me into a separate PAF-file. I assume that in the meantime they found it's way into FamilySearch. It would be easy to connect those families.
Since Noel asked for a translation of the marriage record, here it is:
On the Sexagesina Sunday (which was on the 10 Feb., in 1656) were married Heinrich Stocker of Gennenbach, legitimate son of the deceased Hans Stocker, the late citizen and carpenter of the same town, married with Ursula, legitimate daughter of the deceased Hans Müller, the late citizen and finish carpenter of Veldtberg (=Feldberg). Because of poverty, the couple was married in their home without an appropriate ceremony and without an invitation for any wedding guests."
Milan" 		Stocker, Hans Heinrich (I5309)
 
2627 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from family researcher Rose Green:
3 Jun 2015:
"I also ordered the Furth (Odenwald) records. I checked again for the marriage of Johannes Roemer and wife Anna Catharina, but did not find them. I did go through and look up the godparents of all of their children, though, and a certain Georg Weber and his wife, who also had a mixed marriage, I believe, swapped off an awful lot with them on godparent duty. I'd like to pursue them a little more to see who the Webers are and if maybe our Anna Catharina is a sister to Georg. (I don't imagine his wife is, as they have identical given names). Then again, they were also neighbors, I think. At any rate, I ordered the Birkenau film again, and will make another sweep for Webers. I know I already looked at the Moerlenbach parish for this marriage and didn't find it. But one more place to look might be the Wald-Michelbach Catholic records. I don't think I looked at those."
9 Jul 2015:
"I did have a chance to look at the Birkenau film again, but unfortunately I didn't find anything new on it. At first I was excited to see that this Hans Georg Weber, who was godparent along with his wife for several of Johannes Roemer's children, seemed to be named "Schwager" (brother-in-law) in one of the records, but on closer inspection, it looks like "Schumacher" (shoemaker) (which is confirmed in other accounts). I carefully inspected his whole family, however, hoping for clues to the Roemers (specifically Johannes's first wife Anna Catharina), and no go. The Webers lived next door and were also a mixed marriage. But Georg was the Lutheran and his wife's name is identical to that of Johannes Roemer's wife, and I just don't see two living children in the same family both named Anna Catharina. So that's a bit of a washout."

2. Rose Green indicates that Catherina was Catholic. Johannes Romer was Lutheran.
 		Anna Catherina (I2731)
 
2628 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Jett Hanna [jettplane@aol.com] who descends from this couple:
7 Jul 2005 concerning Sarah Adair, the probable eldest of James' and Rebecca's children: "Sarah Adair and Joseph Hanna eventually moved on to Delphi, Indiana, and both are buried there. Joseph and his son Albert both served in the Indiana legislature, as did Robert's son Robert, who was briefly a US Senator in the 1830s."
7 Jul 2005: "The lawyer James Adair married to Rebecca [Montgomery] is not the trader, of that I am certain – too young. James and Rebecca moved to Indiana about 1804 (may have been a little earlier, but that is when land transactions occurred) and I've identified their land grant at that time. They are easy to follow in the census-both died in their 80s in the 1830s. Graves are in Brookville, Indiana, in the main cemetery in town. There is a DAR marker on James grave. I have good evidence for his service – basically the Williams petition mentioned by Brownlee. The inscription in the book says that James used the book in SC when he was a "justice of the rule." I have some suspicion that the person who made the inscription may have mixed up James Adair with James Montgomery [his father-in-law and one of the justices of Laurens Co.], but there is a story about James Adair defending his son against a murder charge in Indiana. The book has a publication date of 1740."
7 Jul 2005: "They had about 13 kids, and did not have a will or other record of descendants. The circumstantial evidence is pretty good for the connection, however. My first easily proven ancestor on that line is a Sarah Adair and her age is such that she could be their oldest daughter. Some later compiled listings of their kids have her, some don't. I have good evidence of Sarah and Joseph Hanna moving with the Hannas to Indiana at the same time as James and Rebecca. One of the Hannas in the group became very active in Indiana politics, and was a supporter of abolishing slavery when the Indiana constitution was written. I wonder if something happened in SC that changed their outlook on slavery; Robert Hanna (my earliest clearly documented ancestor in the Laurens area) had a slave based on census records; a number of the Adairs had even more slaves."
11 Jul 2005: "A jpg is attached. I didn't take the picture; this book ["The Compleat Arbitrator"] is in the possession of Ronald Fiske of Houston, a descendant of Joseph Hanna and Sarah Adair. J.W. (Joseph Washington) Hanna who made the note was their son. Here's my deciphering of the passage: "This book was in use in South Carolina before the Revolutionary War by James Adair a Justice of the Rule, Grandfather of Joseph W. Hanna as was presented to said Hanna token? g? small boy by said clause? and June 12th 1879 was printed by said Hanna for Thomas Dwight Bayne his grandson now 15 mos old to be sent down to posterity JW Hanna." I've not seen this book myself, but earlier documents indicated that it was in the LA County Law Library. It is still in the card catalog there-were their multiple copies? I hope to see the original sometime when I am over in Houston." [Kerry's note: jpg photo on file']

2. FHL film 446460, Patron Research Dept. for Marie G. Sheranian, has the following two entries from "Land Grants recorded at Clerk's Office, Laurens, S.C., assigned to an unspecified James Adair. They may apply to this James or his cousin James, son of James Adair the cooper. [I haven't yet seen the transaction for any other names or witnesses.]:
"Oct 13, 1795, James Adair from John and Sarah... 10 [100?] A on Duncan's Creek, Bk. F. p. 49.
Oct 12, 1795, James Adair 100 A on Duncan's Creek, Bk F, p. 50."

3. Jett Hanna [jettplane@aol.com] provided me on 8 Jul 2005 with a copy of his analysis of the Brownlee manuscript as follows. It mirrors my own understanding; however, anything with which I disagree I note in [brackets]. Jett entitles his paper as "Laurens County Area Adair Family Trees." It is broken down by three families: James Adair who married Eleanor, his brother Joseph who married Sarah Laferty, and a William of whom absolutely nothing is known except just his name on the Williams Petition and that Brownlee notes he died 1780-84 and that his estate was administered 1784 per Abbe Wills, p. 10. Text quoted as follows:
"This tree is based on Early Adairs of Laurens County, South Carolina, by Mildred Brownlee. This was provided to me by W. Lee Adair, who obtained it from the Laurens County Public Library. Handwritten notes show a date of 1990 on Brownlee's manuscript. I have not examined these deeds personally. In some cases, notes and questions below are my own additions. This analysis seems to discredit some of the trees in the Adair History and Genealogy, and adds significantly to what is know of the Laurens area Adairs. I have not fully finished analyzing this work, and may have left out parts that are not as critical to my work.
"Based on this work, it appears very possible that the elder Joseph Adair (m. Sarah, m. Susannah) and his brother James (m. Eleanor) settled in Laurens County at the same time, as suggested by the Adair History and Genealogy. I do not believe, however, that this James was the author of the book on the Indians and reputed patriarch of the Cherokee Adairs. This James was a cooper (barrel maker) according to the deeds. Modern editions of the History of the American Indians suggest that the author James Adair was a direct immigrant to South Carolina, but with no concrete evidence.
"The Williams Petition: In the tree, LCW is Laurens County Wills; LCD is Laurens County Deeds. Also mentioned is the Williams petition. This petition is a significant document in analyzing the Laurens County Adairs. Published in the South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research, Vol. XV, No. 1 1987, p. 32-33, the original is #5767, Manuscript Department, Wm. Perkins Library at Duke University. The petition is in support of Colonel James Williams, a militia leader of the Patriots in the Laurens area (Little River Regiment). The petition, signed by members of the Little River Regiment, is directed to the Governor of South Carolina and the Privy Counsel, and attests to Williams' devotion to the Patriot cause. Williams led militia in a number of battles. I suspect that this petition was provided prior to Williams' elevation to the rank of Brigadier General following the Battle of Musgrove Mill, which was fought in what is now Laurens County. Williams had been accused of puffing his role in the battle. Williams went on to die at Kings Mountain - one of the few Patriot casualties that day on October 7, 1780. Williams had run for the South Carolina legislature as a Patriot in 1778, only to lose to Robert Cunningham, the infamous Loyalist leader. For more on Williams, see Draper, "Kings Mountain and Its Heroes," (Cincinnati, 1883). Signers of the Williams petition include the following Adairs: Isaac Adair, Jms. Adair, James Adair, Sr., Joseph Adair, Jr., Joseph Adair, Benjamin Adair, Joseph Adair, Sr., James Adair, Jr, son of James, William Adair, John Adair, and John Adair, Sr., and Alexander Adair. Comparing deed and will records to the names, Brownlee identifies the Adair signers [copies Brownlee's explanations]. Brownlee's identifications look very logical to me.
"The Laurens County Adair Tree:
2. Joseph Adair m. Sarah Lafferty, m. Susannah Long: 250a land grant, present site of Duncan Creek Presbyterian Church. Was sold 1778 to Benjamin Adair LCD A/189, 1778). Release by wife??? Will in LCW A-1/19, dated 1788, other info says death 1801. Joseph 414(5) 1790 Census?
2.1 Joseph Adair m. Elizabeth - Joseph's son named in father's will. His will LCW D-1/104; Bundle 65, Pkg. 10, proven 1/14/1813.
2.1.1 John m. Jane Jones: John named as son in father's will.
2.1.2 James m. Rebecca: James named as son in father's will.
2.1.3 Robert: Robert named as son in father's will.
2.1.4 Elisha m Elizabeth (Betsy) Reese?: Elisha named as son in father's will.
2.1.4.1 Joseph: Named as grandson in grandfather's will
2.1.4.2 Washington
2.1.4.3 Isaac
2.1.4.4 Thomas R. m. Jane Blakely
2.1.4.5 Allen
2.1.4.6 Richmond
2.1.4.7 Matilda
2.1.5 Elizabeth m. George Davis: Elizabeth named as daughter in father's will. Husband's name in will is John Huston.
2.1.5.1 Mary Davis m. Robert Cunningham Hanna
2.1.5.2 Hannah Davis m. Robert McCord
2.1.5.3 George Davis
m. John Huston
2.1.5.4 Joseph Hughston
2.1.5.5 Elisha Hughston
2.1.5.6 Nancy/Agnes Hughston m. James Wilson
2.1.6 Jean m. Thomas Holland: Jean named as daughter in father's will. Husband's name is in will. Thomas Holland 101 1790 Census?
2.1.7 Cassy m. Thomas McCrary: Cassy named as daughter in father's will. Husband's name is in will.
2.1.8 Charity m. ___ Farmer: Charity named as daughter in father's will. Husband's name in will is David Little.
2.1.8.1 Mary Farmer: stepdaughter mentioned in will of David Little.
m. David Little
2.1.8.2 David Little
2.1.8.3 Elizabeth Little
2.1.8.4 Joseph Little
2.1.8.5 James Little
2.1.8.6 Jane Little
2.1.8.7 John Little
2.1.8.8 Nancy Little
2.1.8.9 Thomas E. Little
2.1.8.10 Holland Little
2.2 James Adair m. Rebecca Montgomery: James named as son in father's will. 110a from Nathaniel Hillen, 144a granted to him directly. POA to brother Benjamin in Book G, Pg. 666. Does POA mention Rebecca? Or dower releases? Deeds LCW J/161-162, A/308. J/161 is sale to sons of James Sr. - Joseph and George R. James 327 1790 Census? If 13 children, only 10 in this census.
2.2.1 Joseph Adair: LCW J/160 sells interest to brother George R.
2.2.2 George R. Adair m. Rachel Musgrove: George named in deed from brother Joseph.
(From Indiana Data according to Brownlee:)
2.2.3 Margaret Jane Adair m. John Ewing
2.2.4 Rebecca Adair m. James Remy
2.2.5 John Adair
2.2.6 Jane Adair m. ___Eads
2.2.7 Isaac Adair m. Jane Holland
2.2.8 Lucretia Adair m. John Wildridge
2.2.9 James Adair
2.3 Benjamin Adair m. Nancy (George?): Benjamin named as son in father's will. Benjamin's will Box 1, Pkg 1. I have seen another cite for will. Benjamin 133 1790 Census. Only 3 of 5 sons accounted for, 2 of 4 daughters. Children below in his will.
2.3.1 Zadock
2.3.2 William
2.3.3 John
2.3.4 d m. James Jamieson
2.3.5 d m. Samuel Bowie
2.3.6 Isaac
2.3.7 Benjamin
2.3.8 Margaret
2.3.9 d m. William Craig
2.4 Jean/Jane Adair m. Ramage
2.5 John Adair m. Sarah Adair (son of Joseph???). Died in Revolution. Note: Sarah named in Joseph's will. Might have been daughter in law, wife of the deceased son John. [Jett places John as a son of Joseph Sr. whereas Brownlee makes a case for him being a possible son of either Joseph or his brother James.]
2.5.1 Benjamin Adair, Jr.
2.5.2 Joseph Adair
2.5.3 Martha Adair
2.5.4 Hezekiah Adair
2.5.5 Isaac Adair

4. The book "Roster of South Carolina Patriots in the American Revolution," by Bobby Gilmer Moss, lists the following James Adairs, the first of whom is for probably the son of James the cooper. I am not sure how the other James Adairs I list fit in or not. There were other James Adairs in South Carolina at the time and it was a common name among Adairs. Some information may be from more modern and perhaps undocumented family histories. I do not have the abbreviation list as to the sources the author gives:
"James Adare, Sr., S9264, b. 8/15 May 1752, Bucks Co., Pennsylvania, d. 18 Aug 1818, m. Hannah ___. He entered the service during 1776, while residing in York District, and served under Capt. Frank Ross and Col. Neel. In the same year, he joined a unit under Capt. John McCool and Col. Hopkins. In 1777, he was under McCool and Hopkins and was wounded at Horseshoe Battle on War Woman Creek. He was discharged as a result. Later, he appears in Picken's brigade as one who recovered horses lost at Briar Creek. During 1782, he was under Capt. James Dillard, Col. Casey and Gen. Pickens. He supplied food for distressed widows and families for Casey's unit and was a wagon master for Col. James Williams from 29 March to 20 May 1780. A.A. 21; Patriot Index."
Other James Adairs:
"James Adare. He served 120 days in the militia under Gen. Marion during 1780 and 1781. At one time, he was under Lt. Col. Hugh Horry. Kinsfolk, 1269,; A.A. 21; S350; Y1522."
"James Adair, Jr., b. c. 1755, d. July 1835, m. Anna ___. He served in the militia. Patriot Index."

5. http://www.geocities.com/heartland/woods/9061/1813.htm has a list of taxpayers in Franklin County, Indiana, which includes James Adair.

6. http://www.rootsweb.com/~infrankl/marr1826.html has a list of pioneer marriages in Franklin County, Indiana, which includes Isaac Adair to Jane Holland on 18 Jan 1821.

7. http://www.rootsweb.com/~infrankl/marr1811.html has a list of pioneer marriages in Franklin County, Indiana, which includes:
John Adair and Lucy Trusler on 21 Mar 1812.
John Adair and Susannah Thomas on 26 Oct 1815.
John Adair and Sally Trusler on 2 Oct 1817.

8. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/9061/1807A-H.html: 1807 Indiana Territory Census:
The Indiana Territory was established from the Old Northwest Territory in 1800. Originally it included a vast area from which the Michigan Territory was separated in 1805 and the Illinois Territory in 1809. Only three Indiana Counties were formed before 1808, Knox in 1790, Clark in 1801 and Dearborn in 1803. In 1806 the General Assembly of the Indiana Territory passes a resolution: to enable the Governor of this territory, for equal representation to the general assembly. The sheriffs of the counties of Dearborn,Clark, Knox and Randolph (Illinois). Take a list of all the free males 21 years and older, and return to list to the secretary of the state on or before the June 1st 1807. There are no known copy of the Clark County census taken in 1806, there are copies of the voters list for this county for the same year. Dearborn County included an area from Ft. Recovery, Ohio south west to Madison,Indiana. Currently includes all or part of Wayne, Franklin, Union, Fayette, Dearborn, Ohio, Rush and Switzerland Counties. Listed are:
James Adair, Sr.
James Adair, Jr.

9. James Adair could be either the son of the original Joseph Adair the cooper or the son of the original James Adair the cooper. Laurens County Estate Book A-1:
P. 7: "Will of Hanse Miller being sick and weak of body... 14 April 1788. Wit: Joseph Adair, Thomas Ewings, James Adair."
Pp. 155-156: "An Inventory of the Goods and Chattles of William Price Decd. Total ₤ 101 11 8 certifyed 5 Nov 1796 by Joseph Adair, Thomas Gammel, Patrick O Briant. Memorandom of the goods and Chatles of Wm. Price decd sold at public Sale on 15 Nov 1796. Purchasers: Margret Price, Ruth Price, Sarah Price, Mary Cunningham, John Adair, William McCoy, William Barksdale, James Adair, Joseph Adair."
P. 315: "Sale bill of William Price, decd. Publick saile 15 November 1796. Buyers: Margaret Price, Mary Price, Ruth Price, Sarah Price, Mary Cunningham, James Adair, Wm. McCary, Wm. Barksdil, James Hudleston. A true copy form the original vandue list certified by James Cunningham."

10. If this James is still alive at this date, the following James Adair Senr. could be this individual; alternatively, it could be the eldest of the two James of the second generation Laurens County Adairs - James (b. 1747) the son of the Joseph the cooper vs. James (b. 1752) the son of James the cooper. Laurens County Estate Book A-1, pp. 98-100: "An account of the sale of the Estate of Joseph Greer decd., 15 of August 1794; purchasers: Andrew McCrary, Joseph Greer, Joseph Adair, John Hansel, Saml McComuthey, Thos McCrary, Joseph Greer, Wm Hunter, John Login, John Elmore, Minasa Willson, Benj. Adair, Newton Higgins, John Grary, Robert Scott, John Owens, James Rammage, Hugh Skelton, Saml Bishop, James Dillard, John Rammage, James Dillard, Robert Grier, Bazzel Brater (cooper tooles), James Adair Senr., John Watson, Simon Tedford, Jonas Greer, J.A. Elmore, George Ross, Ben Adair, Joseph Parkes, Wm Price, Wm Gray, Robert Greer. Total ₤ 56 13 9."

11. "South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research," vol. 15, pp. 164-168, "Some Jury Lists from Ninety Six District" lists a James Adair from the Laurens County subdivision of the District for 18 Apr 1798. There are several James Adairs at this time in the county and this individual may or may not be this person.

12. Excerpts of "Adairs" from the book "Laurens County South Carolina - Minutes of the County Court, 1786-1789," by Brent H. Holcomb, SCMar, Columbia, South Carolina, 2004. The book notes: "This is a record that has only been recently found after being lost for so many years. It is incomplete missing the first 54 pages, pages 103-126, and an unknown number of pages at the end of the volume. There is at least one other volume, still missing, covering the years 1790-1799."
It also notes: "Laurens County was formed in 1785 as a county of Ninety Six District. In that year justices of the peace were elected by the General Assembly to be administrators of the county courts. Within the pages of these court minutes are small court cases, lists of deeds presented to be recorded, applications for administrations on estates and wills proved (beginning in 1787), jury lists, petitions of various kinds, appointments for various offices, apprenticeships, estray animals tolled, and other items. The cases heard for debt or damages could not exceed £50, and cases heard for personal damages could not exceed £20. Criminal cases heard could not call for the loss of life or corporal punishment. Larger court cases were heard in the district courts, such as Ninety-Six."
The Adair records mention mainly James and Joseph Adair - the only problem was there were at least three Josephs and three James who were all adults at the same time as these court records. The two original brothers, James and Joseph Adair, both coopers by trade, arrived in the Laurens County area probably in the early 1760s. James was born ca 1715 and died in Laurens Co. sometime between 1784 and 1796. Joseph was born ca. 1718 and died after Jan 9, 1788 when his will was written. James had at least two sons who were alive in the time period of these court records: Joseph (ca. 1745 - ca. 1820) who married Sarah and James (1752-1818) who married Hannah. The other original brother, Joseph whose first wife was Sarah Lafferty and second wife Susannah Murdough, widow of Daniel Long, had at least three sons, Joseph (1735-1812), James (1747-1831) whose trade is noted as "saddler", and Benjamin (1752/1754-1823/1825). Generally speaking, the eldest living Adair of a given name was given the suffix of Sr. or no suffix at all while the younger Adairs were noted as Jr. or "son of" - in some cases an uncle could be a "Sr" and a nephew or cousin could be the "Jr." depending on age. As to which James and which Joseph are cited in the records below, they could be any of the above because there is no guarantee that the Court properly used Sr., Jr., or whatever. The citations could be a mix of all. The following are just the James Adair quotations:
Pg. 63, 16 Mar 1786: "A Lease and Release for the Conveyance of 60 acres of Land from John Brotherton to James Adair Proven in open Court by the oath of Thomas Ewing & ordered to be Recorded."
Pg. 68, 18 Mar 1786: James Adair was on a jury in the case of Robert McNees Plt vs. John Martin Deft concerning debt.
Pg. 70, 18 Mar 1786: James Adair was on a jury in the case of George Caldwell Plt vs David Allison Deft concerning debt.
Pg. 73, 18 Mar 1786: "James Adair Plt vs Thos Hughes and Charles Saxon Deft. In Debt. Came the Plt by James Yancey his Attorney and the Defts in their proper Person and Confessed Judgment for 3 6. Attorney's fees 14£ 8 6
Pg. 88,13 June 1786: "A Lease and release for the conveyance of 110 acres of land from Mary Hillon and John Hillon to James Adair proven in open court by the Oaths of George Ross and John Cammel & Ordered to be recorded."
Pg. 88,13 June 1786: "A lease and release for the conveyance of 140 acres of land from Mary Hill and John Hillon to John Cammel proven in open court by the oaths of George Ross and James Adair & ordered to be recorded."
Pg. 96, 16 June 1786: "James Adair vs Jonth'n Gilbert. Debt S.P. By Consent of the parties this suit is ordered to be Continued till next Court."
Pg. 98, June 16, 1786: "James Adair vs Thos Persons. Attachment. Trover. This day came the Plaintiff by J. Yancey his Atty and the attachment being Returned Executed, and the Deft not Replevied by appearance or put in special bail tho solemnly called, on motion of the Plaintiff by his atty aforesaid it is ordered that Judgment be entered for the Plt for what damages he hath sustaind by Accation of the Trover & Convertion in the Declaration mentioned to be Inquired of by a Jury unless the Defendant shall appear and Plead to Issue at the next court." [Kerry's note: the case just before this was for exactly the same thing for James Montgomery vs Thos Persons.]
Pg. 134, 14 Dec 1786: "David Wlch Plft. vs John Barnet Deft. In Debt. By consent of the Parties by their attys they have mutually submitted the Determination for this Suit to Nathan Barksdale, James Adair, and Charles Simmons and agreed that their award thereupon should be made the Judgement of the Court, which s'd aware was Ordered to be Returned into Court Immediately."
Pp. 148-149, 13 Mar 1787: James Adair was sworn as Grand Juror for the county.
Pg. 149, 13 Mar 1787: James Adair participated as a Grand Juror in the case State vs. Mansfield Walker and John Blackwell. Indictment for Sabbath braking.
Pg. 152, 14 Mar 1787: "James Adair vs. Henry Johnston & David Simpson. By consent this suit is ordered to be dismist at Plfts. Cost."
Pg. 159, 16 Mar 1787: "James Adair vs. Thomas Pearson. This day came the Plft by his Attys and the attachment being returned execution on 300 acres of land the Property of Deft and the said Deft not appearing to Replevy the same or Plead to the Plfts Declaration agreeable to a former Order of this Court, Therefore upon a Jury to wit [jury named]... upon their oaths do say that the Plft hath Sustained by accation of the Trespass in the Declaration mentioned, upon their oaths do say that the Plft hath Sustained Damages by accation thereof to £20 besides his cost, thereupon it was Considered by the Court that the Plft Recover against the s'd Deft his damages aforesaid in form aforesaid assest and his cost by him in this behalf Expended and the s'd Deft in Mercy &c." [Kerry's note: There were three exact same cases against Thomas Pearson with James Montgomery, James Adair, and Joseph Adair as individual plaintiffs with all three in sequence.]
Pg. 165, 12 June 1787: "James Adair, son of James Adair, is appointed Overseer of that Part of the highway leading from Hughes's mill on Enoree and James Young's on Bush River in the room of Tho's Ewing. Ordered that he cause the free male inhabitants and slaves contiguous to and convenient to said road, to work thereon and to cause the same to be kept in repair for one year as the law directs."
Pg. 215, 11 Mar 1788: "A power of Att'o from James Templeton to James Adair proven in Open Court by the oath of John Lindsey and Ordered to Ly for further proof."
Pg. 216, 12 Mar 1788: "A Lease and Release for the conveyance of 100 acres of land from Thomas Allison to James Adair acknowledged in Open Court and Ordered to be Recorded."
Pg. 301, 12 Mar 1789: John D. Kern vs Charles Hutchings. In Case. This day came the parties by their attorneys & thereupon Came also a Jury [jury named] upon their oaths say that the Deft is not Guilty on the Nonperformance of the promises & assumptions in the Declaration mentioned & that he go hence without day and Recover against the s'd Plft his Cost by him in this behalf expended, Whereupon it was ordered accordingly.
On application made on oath by James Adair a witness in said suit, ordered that the Plft pay him the sum of 35/ for 14 days attendance at 2/6 P'r day.
Also Joseph Adair the sum of 32/ for 13 days attendance at 2/6 P'r day."
Pg. 324, 18 Sep 1789: "James Adair vs. James Miller. In Slander. By consent this suit is ordered to be Dismist at Deft's cost."
Pg. 326, 18 Sep 1789: James Adair was drawn as a petty juror.
Pg. 317, 15 Sep 1789: "James Adair vs. Eliphaz Riley. S. Process Debt. Continued by Consent till next court."
Pg. 322, 17 Sep 1789: "James Adair vs. Eliphaz Riley. By Consent of the Parties ordered that a Commission issue directed to John Calloway Smith and Wm Robertson Esq'r or any other Justices of the County of Wintown (sic, for Winton) to take the Examination of John Wild a witness for the Deft he giving the adverse party Ten days previous notice of the Time and place of s'd Examination & Return a Certificate of the same to our next Court Together with this commission."
Pg 331, 16 Dec 1789: James Adair vs. Eliphaz Riley. S. Process debt. This day came the Parties by their attorneys & thereupon came also a Jury [jury named] upon their oaths do say that the Plft take nothing by his bill but for his false Clamour be in Mercy &c & that the Deft Go hence without day & recover against the s'd Pft his cost by him in this behalf Expended &C."
Pg. 334, 16 Dec 1789: "The last will and testament of Joseph Adair Dec'd was presented in open court by James Adair the Ex'r and proven by the oath of James Montgomery and Ordered to be Recorded. Ordered that a Probate thereof issue in due form &c.
Ordered that a warrant of Appraisement Issue to four freeholders of this county to View and appraise the estate of the s'd Jo's Adair Decd & Return an account of the same to the Ext'r within the Time Prescribed by Law."

13. Jay Wright 26 Jan 2008: "In regards to the children of James Adair Sr (Saddler) and his wife, Rebecca Montgomery, you quote from Jett Hanna regarding the children, but maybe you don't have a list. Although it's still a work-in-progress, I'm attaching a file with a table showing various children of the couple, as proposed by several different researchers. Maybe you'll find it of interest. Also, your notes on James (Saddler) quote Jett's attempt at deciphering the handwritten inscription in the old book (The Compleat Arbitrator). James kindly sent me a JPG image of that page too. You quote Jett's version as: "This book was in use in South Carolina before the Revolutionary War by James Adair a Justice of the Rule, Grandfather of Joseph W. Hanna as was presented to said Hanna token? g? small boy by said clause? and June 12th 1879 was printed by said Hanna for Thomas Dwight Bayne his grandson now 15 mos old to be sent down to posterity JW Hanna." Now that some of us have had more time to study it, we might be able to fill in a few more words: 'This book was in use in South Carolina before the Revolutionary War by James Adair, a Justice of the Rule, Grandfather of Joseph W. Hanna and was presented to said Hanna when a small boy by said Adair and June 12th 1879 was presented by said Hanna to Thomas Dwight Bayne, his grandson now 15 mos old to be sent down to posterity, JW Hanna.' - Jay Wright in Fayetteville, NY, near Syracuse
Possible children of James Adair & Rebecca Montgomery (12 Jan 2008 version)
Sources:
Jay Wright's Family Tree Maker file.
O'Byrne's Soldiers and Patriots Buried in Indiana, p. 34, collected by Mrs. Z. R. Peterson, Detroit, MI.
Mary Heaven's list, based on Alexander History written by her ggg Uncle Augustus Alexander in 1888.
Linda Crockett York's file at RootsWeb:
Walter W. Adair's list from his Adair Family Genealogy, c. 1974, which can be viewed at HeritageQuest (Thanks, Mary). (Walter W. Adair (p. 63) points out that Adair History & Genealogy, on which he obviously relied heavily, said there were 13 children and "an entry in Volume 38 of the D.A.R. magazine indicated" 14 children, but Walter has 12 names.)
A. Jay's List:
a. Benjamin
b. James, b. c. 1772.
c. Margaret Jane, b. 1784 (or 1783?); m. John (John Thomas?) Ewing; d. 11 May 1855 (or 1866?) in Clinton Co, IN.
d. Sarah, b. 7 Jul 1775; m. to Joseph Hanna; d. 2 Nov 1855, prob. in Carroll Co, IN.
e. Cassandra
f. George R., b. 15 Dec 1779.
g. Isabel, b. 1777; m. John Alexander.
h. Ruth, b. 1770; m. 14 Apr 1810 in Decatur Co, IN, to Benoni Richardson.
i. Hannah, b. 1784.
j. William, b. 5 Mar 1785.
k. Rebecca, b. 2 Aug 1786; m. 10 Feb 1807, in Dearborn Co, IN, to James Remy; d. 27 Jul 1873 in Brookville, Franklin Co, IN.
l. John G., b. 1787; m. (1) when? Where? to Sally Trusler; m. (2) 21 May 1812, Franklin Co, IN, to Lucy Trusler; m. (3) 26 Oct 1815, Franklin Co, IN, to Susannah Thomas.
m. Jane, b. 1789; m. 10 Jan 1807 to William H. Eads.
n. Joseph, b. c. 1790 d. 3 Jul 1839 in IN.
o. Robert, b. 1790; m. Margaret ___.
p. Isaac C., b. 30 Jul 1792; m. 18 Jan 1821, Franklin Co, IN, to Jane Holland; d. 13 Aug 1852, Brookville, Franklin Co, IN.
q. Lucretia, b. c. 1795; m. John Wildridge; died 18 Sep 1870 in IN.
B. O'Byrne/Peterson List
a. Benjamin
b. Margaret, 1784- Ewing.1866; m. John.
c. Rebecca, 1786-1875; m. James Remy.
d. John, 1787-___; m. (1) Lucy Trusler; m. (2) Susannah Thomas; m. (3) Sally Trusler.
e. "Jean"; m. ___ Eads.
f. Joseph
g. Isaac, 1792-1852; m. Jane Holland.
h. Lucretia, 1795-1870; m. John Wildridge.
C. Mary's List
a. James, b. c. 1772, Laurens Dist, SC; m. (1) Mary Cunningham; m. (2) Polly Meek.
b. Margaret Jane, b. 1773, Laurens Dist, SC; m. John Ewing; d. 11 May 1855, Clinton, Franklin Co, IN.
c. Sarah "Sally," b. 08 Jul 1775, Laurens Dist, SC; m. ___ Hanna; d. 02 Nov 1855, Delphi, Carroll Co, IN.
d. Cassandra, b. c.1778, Laurens Dist, SC; d. bet. 1850-1860, Carrollton, Carroll Co, IN.
e. George Ross, b. 15 Dec 1779, Laurens Dist, SC; m. 10 Jun 1800, Laurens Dist, SC, to Rachel Musgrove (Mary notes that George is shown on one World Tree listing with two other wives - Mary K. Bennett and Anna B. Key.); d. 30 Sep 1850, Randolph Co, AL.
f. Isabella, m. John Alexander.(This is Mary's ancestor.)
g. Ruth, m. ___ Richardson.
h. Rebecca, m. ___ Remy.
i. John
j. Jane, m. Judge William Eads.
k. Joseph
l. * (Mary lists Robert/Robin with an asterisk - he was in the right place to be a son, but he was not on the Alexander family list.)
m. Isaac
n. Lucretia, m. John Wildridge.
D. Linda's List
a. Benjamin; d. 3 Jul 1849; bur. Old Brookville Cemetery, Franklin Co, IN.
b. James, b. c. 1772.
c. Margaret Jane, b. 1783; Co, SC, to John Thomas Ewing; d. 11 May 1855, IN.
d. Sarah, b. 8 Jul 1775, Laurens Co, SC; m. c. 1790 to Joseph Hanna; d. 2 Nov 1855, Carroll Co, IN.
e. Cassandra, b. c. 1778, Laurens Co, SC; m. David Ewing; d. aft. 1850. (Linda notes that Cassandra is listed as Cassa Ewing, age 72, in Carrollton, Carroll Co, IN, in the 1850 census. Thanks to Linda for referring me to http://www.wildwoodweb.com/familytree/adairmontg.html)
f. George Ross, b. 15 Dec 1779, Laurens Co, SC; m. (1) to Mary K. Bennett; m. (2) to Anna B. Key; m. (3) 1 Jun 1800 to Rachel Musgrove; d. 30 Sep 1850, Randolph Co, AL.
g. Isabelle (sic), b. 1778; m. to John Alexander.
h. Ruth Davis, b. 1770; m. 14 Apr 1810 to Benoni Richardson.
i. Hannah, b. 1784; m. c. 1800, SC, to Reuben Medors.
j. William, b. 5 Mar 1785, Laurens Co, SC; m. 5 Aug 1813, Jefferson Co, IN, to Elizabeth Hall; d. aft. 1850 in Henderson, IL.
k. Rebecca, b. 2 Aug 1786, Laurens Co, SC; m. 20 Feb 1807, Dearborn Co, IN, to James Remy/Remey; d. 27 Jul 1873, Brookville, Franklin Co, IN.
l. John C. (sic), b. 1787, Laurens Co, SC; m. (1) Sarah Sally Trusler; m. (2) 22 Oct 1815, Franklin Co, IN, to Susannah Thomas; m. (3) 2 Oct 1817 to Lucy Trusler; d. 1 May 1831, Franklin Co, IN; bur. Old Brookville Cem.
m. Jane, b. c. 1789, Laurens Co, SC; m. 10 Jan 1807, Dearborn Co, IN, to Judge William Henry Eads.
n. Joseph
o. Robert F., b. 1790, SC; m. c. 1810 to Margaret Speer; d. bet. 1830-1834, Franklin Co, IN.
p. Isaac C., b. 30 Jul 1792, Laurens Co, SC; m. to Jane Holland; d. 1852.
q. Lucretia, b. c. 1795, NC (sic); m. John Wildridge; d. 1870.
E. Walter W. Adair's List
a. James (Jr.)
b. Margaret Jane
c. George R.
d. Isabel
e. Ruth
f. Rebecca
g. John G.
h. Jane
i. Joseph
j. Robert
k. Isaac C.
m. Lucretia
Notes:
Re: children on earlier versions of list who have been eliminated:
Lucinda was a daughter of the James Adair who married Mary Cunningham, not of the James Adair who married Rebecca Montgomery. I eliminated the row for her.
Thanks to Mary Heaven for pointing out that Benjamin Adair, b. 1752, was a son of Joseph Adair, Sr., and therefore a brother of James Adair who married Rebecca Montgomery.
Thanks to Mary Heaven for pointing out that Hannah who married Reuben/Rueben Meadors is a daughter of James Adair Sr. (a different James Adair Sr.) and his wife, Hannah, rather than the daughter of James Adair Sr. and Rebecca Montgomery.
Thanks to Mary Heaven for pointing out that William born 1785 is the son of Benjamin Adair and Nancy George.
I have no idea what my source was for a daughter named Mary, but nobody else seems to have her, so I deleted her (and deleted the whole row instead of bothering with the cross-out "fill").
Similarly, I don't know what my source was for William, b. 1803, but nobody else has him, so I have deleted the whole row for him instead of bothering with the cross-out "fill").
Thanks to Don Dunaway for the photos of the Adair stones at Old Brookville Cemetery. We all agree now that 21-year-old Benjamin who died 1839, is too young to be a child of James & Rebecca, so he's crossed off our lists (except for the fact that he was on the list in Soldiers and Patriots Buried in Indiana, and we don't know what source the "collector," Mrs. Z. R. Peterson of Detroit, used."

14. Typescript "Early Adairs of Laurens County, South Carolina. Compiled by Mildred Brownlee; Source Records: Wills; Intestate Estates; Deeds; Court Records; Cemetery Inscriptions. Some dates of birth and death obtained from Lineage Charts. Dates of birth and death subject to correction. Spelling of names subject to correction." [Note that bracketed comments are later additions by other reviewers including myself - Kerry Petersen.]:
A. "Laurens County, South Carolina - Will Book A-1, p. 19:
'I, Joseph Adair of the State of So. Carolina & County of Laurens cooper; yet of sound & perfect understanding & memory; do constitute this my last will & testament & desire it may be received as such. First I most humbly bequeath my soul to God my maker, beseeching his most gracious exceptance of it, through all sufficient merits & meditations of my most compassionate Redeemer Jesus Christ who gave himself to be an atonement for my sins & is able to save to the uttermost all that come to God by him seeing he ever liveth to make intersession for them & who I trust will not reject me a returning penitent sinner when I come to Him for mercy; In this hope & confidence I render up my soul with comfort, humbly beseeching the most glorious & blessed Trinity, one God most Holy most merciful & gratious to prepare me for my disolution then take me to himself into that place of rest & incomparable felicity which He hath prepared for all that love his holy name, Amen; Blessed be God I give my body to the earth from whence it was taken, in full assurance of its resurrection from therein at the last day; As for my burial, I desire it may be decent without pomp or state at the discretion of my dear wife who I doubt not will manage it with all prudence; As to my worldly estate I will & positively order that all my debts be paid & next I give & bequeath to Susanna my dearly beloved wife all my stock of black cattle & hogs with all the pewter of my dresser; one hundred & sixty Continental dollars which is in the hands of my son Joseph Adair & all the store of my grain that may be mine at the time of my death for her support; Also all the farming utentials that belong to me at my death; Also my beds & bed furniture to possess the same during her life, & at her decease to go to my son James Adair, Also to my son Joseph Adair I give & bequeath the remainder of the Continental money that remains in his hands; Also one long posted bedstead & my armed chair; Also I give & bequeath to my son James Adair the one-half of my coopers tools; & other utentials belonging to my trade with the whole of my wearing apparel, & also my chest at the decease of my wife; Also to my son Benjamin Adair, I give & bequeath the other half of my coopers tools & utentials belonging to my trade & also the half of that twenty pounds old currency which he had of me for which he was to have palled a graveyard which he never performed; Also to my daughter Jean Ramage, I give & bequeath my brass seals; Also to my daughter Sarah Adair, I give & bequeath that other half of that twenty pounds old currency which is in the hands of my son Benjamin Adair; Also I give her at the death of my wife, that iron pot that was her mothers with my iron crook; Also I give & bequeath my daughter Mary Owens my biggest iron pot & my course flax hackle at the decease of her mother & to her husband John Owens the one-half of the sawed plank of my loft and floor; & if it shall please God to call me home by this present disease, it is my will that the money he owes me should go to defray my funeral charges; Also to Robert Long my son-in-law, I give & bequeath the other half of plank of my loft & floor; And I do by these presents nominate constitute & appoint & ordain as the executors of this my last will & testament my truly & well beloved sons Joseph & James Adair; & I do hereby revoke & disavow & make null & void every former will by me made ratifying & confirming this & no other to be my last will & testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand & affixed my seal this 9th day of January in the year of our Lord 1788.
s) Joseph Adair
wit: James Montgomery, William Borland, James (J) Greer'
Recording date of the will is not stated. Judging by dates of other estate records recorded on pages preceding and following page 19, the will appears to have been recorded sometime in 1789 or early 1790.
There are no loose probate papers for the estate of Joseph Adair; Sr.
Joseph Adair, Sr., cooper, married in Ireland? Or in Pa. ? a first wife, said to have been Sarah Laferty. Laurens Co. SC records give no proof data for this wife. She was the mother of Joseph's children. Joseph Adair's will was written 9 Jan. 1788 and proved 1789/90, recorded in Will Book A-1, p. 19. The following children are mentioned in the will:
1. Joseph Adair, b. 12 Apr. 1735 (from lineage chart), died 17 Oct. 1812. He was called Joseph Adair, Sr. after the death of his father.
2. James Adair. b. Dec. 1747, d. 23 Mar. 1831 in Indiana. Proved to have been son of Joseph Adair, Sr. cooper, by the Power-of-Attorney issued to his brother, Benjamin Adair. (Deed Bk. G, p. 666.)
3. Benjamin Adair, b. 1752, d, 3 Sept. 1823.
4. Jean/Jane Adair, b. before 1755, married (John ?) Ramage.
5. Sarah Adair - Single in 1788? Or married to an Adair?"
B. "James Adair. Dec. 1747 in Pa., d. 23 Mar. 1831, in Ind., Mar. Rebecca Montgomery, b. 20 Oct. 1750. d. 29 Sept. 1835.
James Adair owned land on Duncan Creek and land adjacent the Enoree River, including a grant of 144 a. to himself; also, 150 a. on the N side of Enoree River in Spartanburg Co. He is identified in early deeds as James Adair,"Saddler". After the death of James Adair, Sr., cooper whose wife was Eleanor, James Adair, Saddler, was then identified as James Adair, Sr. When James (wife Rebecca Montgomery) moved to Dearborn Co., IN c1803/04, he gave Power-of-Attorney to his brother Benjamin Adair to sell his lands in SC. (Deed Bk. G, p. 666), There in not much documentation in Laurens Co. records for names of the children of James and Rebecca Adair; however, two of their sons remained here for several years. In 1804, by POA, James Adair. Sr. sold to his sons, Joseph Adair and George R. Adair, jointly, 110 a, on Enoree River, part of land he had purchased from the widow of Nathaniel Hillen and also 144 a. on Enoree River which had been granted to himself. (Deed Bk. J, pp. 161162; Deed Bk, A. p. 308). In 1807, Joseph Adair sold his ½ interest in the above mentioned tracts to his brother, George R. Adair. Rachel Adair, wife of Joseph, released her dower right (Bk. J, pp. 160-66). According to Indiana data, Joseph Adair died there 3 July 1839.
George R. Adair continued to live in Laurens Co. where he appears on tho census of 1820. By Oct. 1826, he was living in Gwinnett Co., Ga. c1800. George R. Adair married Rachel Musgrove, daughter of Edward Musgrove. She was half-sister of Mary Musgrove Berry of Revo. fame.
Some of the children of James and Rebecca Adair:
Joseph Adair, died 3 July 1839 (Ind.), mar. Rachel ___.
George R. Adair, to GA, mar. Rachel Musgrove.
From Indiana data:
Margaret Jane Adair, b. 1773 mar. John Ewing.
Rebecca Adair, b. 2 Aug. 1786, mar. James Remy.
John Adair
Jane Adair. mar, ___ Eads.
Isaac Adair, b. 30 July 1792, mar. Jane Holland or Harlan.
Lucretia Adair. mar. John Wildridge.
James Adair"
C. Mentioned in dealings with John Adair whom we have not definitively connected to the right parents – see his notes for more details; also note that James Montgomery is the father-in-law to this James Adair: "John Adair - killed in '82. John Adair served as a private in the Revolution and was killed in 1762 [s/b 1782]. His widow, Sarah, drew a state annuity for his service. His indent for Revo. service, No. 349, Book 8, was redeemed by James Adair, admr. of the estate of John Adair, dec'd. on 15 Sept. 1785. (Accounts Audited, SC Archives). Estate papers for John Adair are in Abbeville Co. C.H., Box 2, pkg. 30, administered 5 May 1784 by Sarah Adair, James Adair, Joseph Adair, and James Montgomery. Inv. made by Thomas Ewing, James Craig, and Benjamin Adair.
Mrs. Sarah Adair furnished the hire of a wagon and salt for the use of the Militia in the Revo. Indent No. 351, Book S... £3... 5 sh... 5½ pence.
John Adair left a widow, Sarah, and five children:
Benjamin Adair. Jr.
Joseph Adair
Martha Adair
Hezekiah Adair
Isaac Adair
All were minors in Laurens Co. Court Minutes in 1785. Benjamin Adair, Sr. was guardian of the minors, with Joseph Adair, surety.
John Adair received a Royal Grant of 100 a. in Craven Co. (*Colonial Craven Co. included a part of the present Laurens Co.) on waters of Duncan Creek. The original grant certified on 18 Aug. 1772, granted 11 Aug. 1774, memorial in the Auditor General's Office, Book M, No. 13. p, 230, 7 Jan. 1775.
Laurens. Co. Deed Bk, F. pp. 49-50 - 1 Dec. 1778, John Adair and wife Sarah, to James Adair for 10 shillings paid to him the said John Adair by the above named James Adair, 100 a. in Craven Co., waters of Duncan Creek, bound N by James Adair; SE on Joseph Adair & vacant land; and on all other sides vacant land .... mentions plat to the original grant... mentions that another deed is to be made and dated "the day next after the day of the date of these presents"...
(s) John Adair, (s) Sarah Adair
Wit: William Adair, William Ross, John Finney
(Note: During this period, land transfer was made by the old form of "lease and release". The above document was the "lease" for 10 shillings. Recorded next was the "release" document by which the land was actually sold for £50.)
2 Dec. 1778 - John Adair and wife, Sarah, to James Adair, saddler, for £50, the above 100 a. in Craven Co., waters of Duncan Creek, the original grant certified 18 Aug. 1772, granted 11 Aug. 1774. etc... (deed continues with description given in first deed).
(s) John Adair, (s) Sarah Adair
Wit: William Adair, William Ross, John Finney
Dec. 2, 1778 - Received from James Adair, Jr., the sum of £50 in full consideration. (s) John Adair
Before me, George Ross. J.P., personally came William Adair & made oath that he "seen" John Adair and Sarah, his wife, sign, seal, deliver the within lease and release unto James Adair, Jr. for the intent and purposes therein mentioned. (s) William Adair"

15. American Revolutionary War Stories involving Mangum and Adair Families in Laurens County Area of South Carolina:
In John Mangum the Patriot's application for his American Rev. War pension, he mentions serving with several of the following commanders. He specifically states he was with Col. Joseph Hayes when he was killed and that he received a wound under the hands of the Tory leader William Cunningham aka "Bloody Bill." The following accounts help understand John's and the Adair family's patriotic commitment and puts some flesh to names. See separate notes in the Adair family notes for John Mangum's Adair family comrades in arms who signed the James Williams Petition which would mean that the Adair and Mangum families probably first came in contact both knowing and serving under James Williams. Both modern Laurens and adjoining Newberry Counties were in the old District Ninety Six of South Carolina.
"A Laurens County Sketchbook," by Julian Stevenson Bolick, FHL book 975.731-H2b, p. 9, in speaking of the American Revolutionary War: "The people, cut off as they were from the coast and seat of government [KP note: at Charles Town or Charleston as it was later known], were not aware of the many grievances of the colonists toward the mother country. Naturally, in the months to follow, many of the Up Country people remained loyal to England, and particularly those who had been given large grants by the king. These people became known as Tories, and a gentleman's agreement was reached among some of the colonists whereby the Tories in the Carolina "Back Country" should remain in a state of neutrality. Since this agreement was made without the knowledge of Robert Cunningham, a man of high esteem and immense influence among his neighbors in Ninety Six District, he did not feel bound by the agreement. Thus, he continued to urge opposition to the revolutionary movement to the point of being apprehended on an occasion by a group of men dressed as Indians. Learning of Robert's proposed confinement in Charles Town, his brother Patrick gathered a body of friends and set out in pursuit of the group. The pursuers failed to overtake the first group, but Patrick and his men learned of, and captured, 1000 pounds of powder being sent as a present to the Cherokee Indians by the governor. Because of the proximity of the Cherokees, it was customary to make gifts from time to time to the Cherokee Nation to encourage friendship. An amount of gunpowder, included with cloth and trinkets, was intended to be only enough to meet the Indians' needs for hunting, and not a sufficient quantity to incite them to attack the settlers...
"Unbiased recounting of history must include here the distasteful authority and influence exerted by two Tory leaders over their followers in dealing with their enemies, the Whigs [KP note: pro-Revolution]. The two 'Bloody Bills', William Bates and William Cunningham, headed the list of atrocities ... Cunningham ... belonged to one of the best families in the province. A cousin of Robert and Patrick Cunningham, Bill was the only member of the family to depart from its high standard of chivalry and honor ... William was a Whig at the beginning of the struggle ... William was ordered to the Low Country, was whipped for some minor offense and was placed in chains. His work of pillage and murder apparently was a retributive vengeance on those who had wronged him, especially his former commander in arms.
"So, the good citizens and the bad citizens were divided in their partisanship. Before the end of hostilities, the great plantations where hospitality had been dispensed in generous and gracious manner were closed to friendship because of divided loyalties and sympathies. These homes included White Hall, home of Andrew Williamson; Rosemont and Peach Hill, Cunningham seats and Mount Pleasant, owned by James Williams. In many cases, animosity continued. In the election of 1778, Colonel Williams and Cunningham engaged in gentlemanly fisticuffs, in which the wife of the Colonel seized Cunningham by his queue before friends could come between them. The fact that Cunningham was elected to office was evidence of the strong Tory influence in the district. It will be recollected here that Robert Cunningham had been arrested by Colonel James Williams in 1775 and sent to Charles Town, where he refused to recognize the authority of the Provincial Congress. His arrest created indignation in the "Back Country", and three years later his friends gave full support to his candidacy.
"Logan's History of the 'Upper Country of South Carolina' characterizes this area as 'the classic ground of the American Revolution,' but it is difficult to locate exact spots of skirmishes occurring with the confines of the present county of Laurens. Meager records show that one encounter took place on the banks of Rabun Creek. While the armed forces on the coast had been occupied with the defense of Fort Moultrie, the western frontier of the state had become ablaze with Indians on the warpath [KP note: the neutrality of the Indians was broken when the British and their allies could use strong persuasion]. Inhabitants along the Saluda River had taken refuge in an old fort known as Lyndley's, located on Rabun Creek. Early morning of July 15, 1776, 88 Indians and 102 white men attacked the safety station. Major Jonathan Downes with 150 men had arrived at the station the evening before. The latter were on a mission to join forces with Major Williamson in an effort to suppress the Indians who erroneously had been told that their gift of gunpowder and lead captured so recently would be used by the Whigs to kill them. The attack on the fort was repulsed and thirteen prisoners, all whites dressed as Indians, were sent to Ninety Six for confinement.
"On another occasion, Major Downes, commanding a small force of Whigs, happened to come upon an armed aggregation of Indians in the Scuffletown area. Tradition says that the Major overcame the Indian chief in a hand-to-hand fight, and that he took off his suspenders, tied the Indian's hands behind his back and left the fighting field with the captured chieftain astride Downes' horse.
"In August of 1780, the Battle of Musgrove's Mill was fought about twelve miles north of the present city of Laurens on the Enoree River. Major Downes again served gallantly; in this encounter was, also, Colonel Joseph Hayes, who was among those massacred at Hayes Station the following year. In the home of Major Edward Musgrove a garrison of 500 British troops maintained headquarters. They were regimented soldiers retrained by platoons. The Major, too old for active duty, remained neutral in his sympathies; but his family took a very active part with sons fighting on both sides. On that August day the Whigs took up position within one mile of the mill and were in the process of planning an attack when a skirmish between a British patrol and a Whig reconnaissance group brought the entire British garrison to the scene. Young Captain Shadrack Inman asked permission to take 25 men and act as a decoy to draw the Tories into a three-pronged trap formed by force commanded by Colonel Isaac Shelby on the right, Colonel Elijah Clarke on the left and Colonel James Williams in the center. Shadrack Inman was shot seven times following the retreating British. A simple stone marks the
spot where he fell.
"The battle is said to have been one of the hardest ever fought in the county with small arms alone '...the smoke so thick as to hide a man at a distance of twenty rods. With the aid of Tories, the British had hoped for a quick victory in the South; instead they suffered heavy losses and their strength in South Carolina's Up Country had been badly shaken.
"November, 1781, will be remembered as a month of terror for the Whigs and their families in the Ninety Six District at the hands of William Cunningham, who had left Charles Town in August for the purpose of inflicting punishment on the Whigs. Crossing Saluda River, 'Bloody Bill' and his band of 300 ruthless followers attacked Hayes Inn, a station which before had been known as Edge Hill, on the stagecoach route through this part of the Up Country. The exact date of this attack is not known, but McCrady in his 'History of South Carolina in the Revolution' traces the movements of the group of Tories. On November 7, 1781 thirty Whigs had taken refuge in an unfinished log house without door or windows on a small stream called Cloud's Creek in Edgefield County. Two of the thirty escaped, the rest being slaughtered after they had surrendered. Mr. McCrady states 'it was a fine morning after the massacre at Cloud's Creek, when at ten o'clock a party led by John Hood rode up to the station (Edge Hill) at full gallop...' Hayes Inn was burned by shooting out of a musket a ramrod tipped with flax, saturated in tar and set afire. The flaming roof caused suffocation and terror among those inside. "Captain Daniel Williams, with a group of patriots, had rested overnight at the inn. The Captain, only eighteen years of age, and Colonel Joseph Hayes, owner and operator of the inn, were promptly hanged from a pole of the fodder stack. The pole broke; and Cunningham, continuing the cruelty with gave him the name 'Bloody Bill,' cut the half strangled men to pieces with his sword. The encounter is recorded as 'Hayes Station Massacre,' a terrifying experience related by the one survivor...
"It was such odious treatment of human beings that prompted General Nathanael Greene of the Whig side to make the following declaration: 'The inhabitants hunt one another like wild beasts. If a stop cannot be put to these massacres, the country will be depopulated in a few more months, as neither Whig nor Tory can live." In the District of Ninety Six alone, there were 1400 hundred widows and orphans as a result of the war."

16. James Williams Petition listing the Adair family Patriots. Note that Thomas Adair's parents are the ones listed as number 4 (Joseph and Sarah) and his grandparents are number 3 (James and Eleanor). Most of the other Adairs were brothers or cousins. The petition has come to me from Mildred Brownlee's manuscript "Early Adairs of Laurens County, South Carolina" and also from the "South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research," vol. 15, p. 32. James Williams was one of the most renown Patriots of the Laurens area and this listing of signers of the petition of the area gives us a good source of patriots also associated with him. Col. James Williams and Capt. Josiah Greer were also military leaders of many of these same individuals during the 1778 American invasion of British East Florida per the source of Doctor George Ross' medical reimbursement papers quoted in this database under Rebecca Montgomery's notes. This petition typescript is item #5767, Manuscript Dept., Wm. M. Perkins Library at Duke University, Durham NC. Submitted by Mrs. Mary Ann McCrary and published with permission of the Manuscript Dept. This petition pre-dates the Battle of Kings Mountain (7 Oct 1780), as Col. James Williams was killed at that time. [NB: a second version of the petition was located in the South Carolina Library in 1999 and the gaps in the Duke University petition were filled in as indicated by brackets.] {Any notes or comments added by me are in these brackets.}
"To his Excellen[cy John Rutledge, E]sq. Governor & Commander in Chief in & [over th]e state of South Carolina, the Honourable the privy Counsel, the Honourable the Senate & House of Representatives in General Assembly.
Whereas we (the zealous friends to our country, and to all who love and distinguish themselves in her cause) do understand & are exceeding sorry to hear that there are false & [evilly designing] Accusations either lying on or about to shortly be laid against James Williams, our present Colonel in & over Little River Regiment, and designed (as we believe) by the private Enemies of our country to deprive us of so worthy a friend of his Country in general a good officer to us in particular & thereby do a very singular Piece of Service to the common enemies of America. We do briefly & anxiously remonstrate this: that we experimentally know Colo. James Williams to have been a zealous Patriot from the commencement of the America contest with Briten; and to have always stood foremost in every occasion when called upon to the defence of his country. We do further declare that we have never known said Colo. [Jas.].Williams to distress any individuals in the Regiment who voluntarily & judiciously, when legally called upon and commanded to the field, have turned out in the Defence if their Native Rights & Privileges together with that of their Country; & we do avow it from our knowledge, that whensoever Colo. Jas. Williams either directly or indirectly executed any distressing things, it was upon the stubborn & refractory, whose practices of obstinacy declare them inimical to their country: & and that this he did, as being last promissing Effort to reduce them to the dutiful obedience of loyal & fellow citizens. Without delaying you; we your humble Petitioners do earnestly beg that you will hear this our faithful Remonstrance & proceed with our respected Colo. James Williams & all such unjust & disaffected Clamours as may come before you against him, as your superior Judgements may direct: only begging leave to conclude with this one Remark, that doubtless you know that such clamours are frequently the necessary Effect of Disaffection to the Country.
[Signed:] Robt. McCrery Lt. Colo.; George Davis, Capt.; Matthew McCrar[e]y, Lt.; George Young; Matthew Cunningham; Andrew McCrary; James Greer; [James Dillard]; [John Owens]; [Samuel Ewing]; [William Davis]; [Absolom Filby]; [John McCrary Sener]; [John McCrary Juner]; [Robert Long]; [Matthew McCrary]; [William Bean]; [John Williams J.P {note J.P. is crossed out}]; [Wm. Arthur Capt.]; Josiah Greer; Joseph Ramage; John Robinson; John Bourland; John Greer Juner; Isaac Adair; Jms. Adair; [Thos McCrery J.P.]; [James Ones]; [Andrew Ones]; [John Watson]; [Hughes Manford (?)]; [David Watson]; [Isaac Greer]; [James Ralley]; [John Ramage]; [John Glenn]; [John Jones (M L. (?)]; Henry Atwood; James Adair, Sr.; Joseph Adair Jr.; Joseph Adair; Benjamin Adair; Joseph Adair Sr.; James Adair Jr., son of James; [William Adair]; [John Finney]; [John Adair]; [John Adair Sener]; [James Craige]; [William Craig]; [James Howerton]; [Phillip Whitten]; [John Gray]; [John Greer]; [James Montgomery]; Thomas Ewing; William Blake; James Gamble; [Edward Stapleton]; [John Gamble]; [William Huddleston]; [James Huddleston]; [Alexander Adair]; [Benjamin Willson]; [Benja. Goodman]; [Daniel Williams]
Suggested identification of the Adairs who signed this petition:
1. Isaac Adair - Killed in Apr. 1781, left widow, Ruth.
2. Jms. Adair - b. 1747, son of' Joseph Adair, Sr.; mar. Rebecca Montgomery.
3. James Adair, Sr. - died before 1796; wife, Eleanor.
4. Joseph Adair, Jr. - Son of above James & Eleanor; wife Sarah.
5. Joseph Adair - died 1812; son of Joseph Adair, Sr.
6. Benjamin Adair - died 1823; son of Joseph Adair, Sr.; wife Nancy.
7. Joseph Adair, Sr. - died 1789-90; wife: Susannah.
8. James Adair, Jr., son of James - son of James Adair & wife Eleanor; died 1818, wife Hannah.
9. William Adair - died 1780-84. Estate administered 1784, Abbe. Wills, p. 10.
10. John Adair - died 1813 in Ga., wife Jane; son of Joseph Adair; grandson of Joseph Adair, Sr.
11. John Adair, Sr. - Killed in 1782, wife Sarah. Abbe. Wills, p. 10. Probable son of Joseph Adair, Sr. {Kerry's note: or maybe James Adair, Sr.}
12. Alexander Adair - Scotch-Irish immigrant in 1767? See Protestant Immigrants to SC - Janie Revill, p. 74.
{Note the above suggestions are as provided by Mildred Brownlee. I make the following additions of individuals related to the Adairs:
13. James Gamble - father of William Gamble who marries Martha Adair, daughter of James Adair who was son of James Adair, Sr., the original settler and cooper.
14. Robert Long - Son of Susannah Murdough from her first marriage before she married Joseph Adair the cooper.
15. John Owens - Husband of Mary Long. Mary was the sister of Robert Long and a daughter of Susannah Murdough from her first marriage before Joseph Adair.
16. John Ramage - Husband to Jean or Jane Adair, the daughter of Joseph Adair the cooper and his first wife Sarah Laferty.
17. George Davis - Died 1781- 1783. First husband to Elizabeth Adair, daughter of Joseph Adair, Jr. and Elizabeth ___.
18. James Montgomery - Father to Rebecca who married James Adair, the saddler and son of Joseph Adair the cooper. James' other daughter Isabella married Dr. George Ross who was a physician with many of the above in their East Florida expedition in the early days of the Rev. War.
19. John Jones - There were two John Jones in the area at the time. One was the husband of Hannah Adair, daughter of James and Eleanor Adair. Unsure which John Jones this may be. Our John Jones died before Sep 1788."

17. Laurens County Estate Book A-1, p. 52-53: "Will of James Montgomery of the Dist. of Ninety Six... to my two daughters Rebecca Adair & Isabella Ross, one cow & calf; to Margret my wife, all money in hand & that may be due me, furniture, & cattle with plantation on which we live, 150 acres; also one other tract of 466 acres in Greenville County on Harrolds branch of Enoree, granted to Wm. Lacey, sold to Thos Pearson & was since attached & sold at Sheriffs sale & purchased by me; son in law Jas Adair Exr with my wife, 17 Aug 1791. Jas Montgomery (Seal), Wit: Wm Craig, John Craig, Isabella Criaig."

MARRIAGE:
1. Jett Hanna mentions that the marriage of Joseph Adair (Eldare) and Sarah Lafferty (Luffirty) seemed to be recorded in Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church in Wilmington, DE which were published in 1890 by the Historical Society of Delaware. Their son, James was born in 1747 according to his tombstone in Indiana.
Old Swedes Church, 606 Church Street, Wilmington, DE 19801; Constructed in 1698-1699. This is a place of history. Trinity Parish Web site Church was established as a Swedish Lutheran Church. The church building was constructed in 1698-1699. The church was placed under the jurisdiction of the Protestant Episcopal Church in 1791. It flourishes today as the nation's oldest church building still standing as originally built. It is still in regular use for worship. In recognition of its unique role for worship by numerous communities of immigrants: the Swedes at Fort Christina and the colony of New Sweden; the Dutch in the area centered at New Amstel (now New Castle, DE); the English in New Castle county of the colony of Pennsylvania; and finally Americans from many nations in the state of Delaware. Old Swedes was designated a Registered National Historic Landmark on March 29, 1963. The church and churchyard has sustained 15,000 burials and is active to this day.

BURIAL:
1. Find-a-grave accessed 13 Dec 2013, section 5, row 10, James/Rebecca/John/Benjamin, tombstone photos:
Memorial #68276106: "Sacred to the memory of Rebecca consort of James Adair who departed this life Sep. 29th A.D. 1835 aged 84 years 11 months & 9 days."
Memorial #38947979: "Sacred to the memory of James Adair who departed this life March 23rd A.D. 1831 aged 83 years & 4 months."
 		Adair, James (I3724)
 
2629 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Dick, Johann Velten (I2858)
 
2630 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Dick, Johann Christoph (I2854)
 
2631 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Dick, Justina Magdalena (I2849)
 
2632 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."

2. Email dated 5 May 2015 from family researcher Rose Green :
"I found someone doing a project on this migration pattern:
Website http://www.mueller-heppenheim.de/tiroler1.htm (accessed 5 May 2015) entitled "Migration history: Contribution to Immigration by Tyroleans in the Pfalz and in adjacent territories 1650-1750," by Dr. Hermann Müller, Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse. This website is in German by can be translated by Google.
Apparently the word "Tirol" to postwar (30 Years War) Germany is what "Palatine" is to America. It doesn't necessarily mean Tirol itself, but could also include other regions. Here is (translated) their explanation of the term: "The term "Tiroler" is used here as a collective term for all immigrants from the Western Austrian alpine region of the time regardless of the current expansion of the Austrian province of Tyrol and the Italian province of South Tyrol. Hence immigrants from Vorarlberg, the Allgäu and Oberschwaben be considered Tiroler."
Here are some names from this site that have been identified in church records as "Tiroler," this batch from the Furth Familienbuch (Fürth im Odenwald -- Ludwig Knapp: Familienbuch Fürth 1663 - 1712). Note Baltzer (2x), Sommer (1x) Hinderkircher/Hinterkircher (2x) [marked with an asterisk in front of the surname]:
BERNTAUER, Christian, aus Tirol, Berg- und Erzknappe (miner and ore-miner), 1663 und 1670 Taufe von Kindern in Fürth (baptism of children in Fürth).
BUCHEL, Michael, aus Tirol, Pate (was a godfather) am 23.04.1664 in Fürth.
BUCHER (BUCHARDT), Andreas, aus Tirol, wohnt in (lived in) Weschnitz , Erzbach und Fürth, Steiger des Bergwerks in Weschnitz (overseer of the mine), ab 1669 im KB Fürth genannt (named in the Fürth church records starting in 1669).
EINBACHER, Georg, Weschnitz, Bergmann (miner), aus Tirol, m. Fürth 21.08.1679 BEHS Anna aus Bayern.
ENGSTRAßER, Sebastian, aus Tirol, 1696 in Fürth genannt (named in Fürth in1696).
FEHR (FÄHR, FEYER), Konrad, Steinbach, stammt aus Tirol (living in Steinbach but of Tirol), Zimmermann (carpenter), m. Fürth 28.01.1700 Anna ALLHEUSER.
GAßNER, Christian, Fürth, aus Tirol, Maurer und Steinhauer (mason and stonemason), 1679 erstmals in Fürth genannt (first mentioned in Fürth in 1679).
GRIMM, Blasius, aus Mautendorf/Salzburg. Seine Frau Barbara starb (his wife Barbara died) am 27.07.1679 in Fürth.
HAUBT, Simon, aus Schwaz/Tirol, † Fürth vor 09.05.1678. (d. bef 9 May 1678)
HECH, Georg, aus Tirol, Tochter Wandalina (daughter named Wandalina) m. 02.05.1680 in Fürth den Tiroler Abraham STEIGER.
HEINHEUSER (HEIGENHÄUSER, HEUCHENHEUSER), Sebastian, Weschnitz (living in Weschnitz), Verwalter (some kind of administrator), aus Waderingen/Tirol, * err. 1646 (birth estimated 1646), m. Fürth 21.08.1679 WEYS Anna.
*HINDERKIRCHER, Joachim, Weschnitz, Bergmann, Köhler (miner and charcoal burner), aus Tirol, m. Fürth 01.02.1685 Susanne BALTZER.
KOLL, Johann, aus dem Gau Mettering in Österreich, m. Fürth 31.08.1676 Eva, Witwe des (widow of) David SEULHACKER in Erlenbach.
LAMPRECHT, Christian, aus Kirchdorf in Tirol, Bergmann, m. Fürth 24.04.1701 ALLHEUSER Elisabeth aus Steinbach.
MESSNER, Thomas, aus Innsbruck in Tirol, 1669 in der Fürther Zent.
MEYER, Alban, Weschnitz, Bergmann aus Tirol, m. Fürth 01.02.1685 BUß Anna Elisabeth.
NIEß, Urban, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 16.05.1672 Anna Maria BUCHER.
*N.N. Ein Tiroler heiratet am 15.05.1691. Trauzeugen sind (witnesses are) Andreas BUCHARDT, Weschnitz, und Joachim HINDERKIRCHER, Weschnitz.
PICHTER (RICHTER ?), Hans, Hammerschmied aus Tirol, 1663 Taufe der Tochter Maria Katharina.
SANGERLE, Leonhard, aus Tobadill, Gericht Landeck, Tirol, 1702 stirbt der Sohn Lorenz in Fürth. (son Lorenz died in Fürth)
SCHERER, Balthasar, aus Tirol, Bergknappe in Weschnitz, oo Fürth 12.08.1672 Anna Katharina KEIL aus Fürth.
SENGERLE, Johann, aus Tirol, S. d. Christian S. in Tirol, * err. 1649, Maurer in Kröckelbach und Brombach, m. Fürth 22.01.1685 Anna Maria BUCHER, Witwe des aus Tirol stammenden Urban NIEß, Weschnitz.
SENGERLE (ZENGERLE), Georg, Steinbach, aus Tirol, * err. 1644, m. Fürth 07.10.1680 Margaretha, Witwe des Thomas ALLHEUSER aus Steinbach.
SCHWENDERER, Peter, aus Bußendorf/Salzburg, m. Fürth 20.07.1684, MUNCH Ursula Barbara.
*SOMMER, Joseph, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 04.12.1685 BALTZER, Margaretha, aus Schwaben.
SOMMERER, Thomas, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergknappe in Weschnitz, † Fürth 23.06.1672.
STANGER, Wolfgang, 1708 in Fürth genannt.
STEIGER, Abraham, aus Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 02.05.1680 Wandalina HECH aus Tirol.
STEINER, Hans, (aus Tirol ?), 1663 in Fürth genannt.
STEINLE, Lenhardt, Bergknappe aus Tirol, 1664 Geburt der Tochter Maria.
ULRICH (identisch mit UHL ?), Kaspar, Fürth, Maurer aus Tirol, kath., 1675 Taufpate in der ref. Pfarrei Wald-Michelbach.
WERTENSOHN, Hans, aus Langenau, "in den vier Herrschaften Gregels (?) gelegen" (Vorarlberg?), 1669 - 1679 Lindenfels, dann Fürth. Zimmermann, Bierzapfer, Gastwirt.
It says to note the miners (Bergleute). In 1700, the mining operations at Weschnitz had ended, so they stopped coming.
Additionally, there is this person from nearby Michelstadt:
*HINTERKIRCHER, Joachim, Kohlmesser auf der Schmelz (measures coal in the fire or something - sorry, I don't know mining terms!), aus Tirol, † 1695 in Hammer-Michelstadt.
Sounds like a whole lot of people headed that way."

MARRIAGE:
1. Email dated 4 May 2015 from family researcher Rose Green :
"Johann Joachim Hinderkircher and Susanna Baltzer, were married in 1685 in Furth. The Lutheran records don't start until some years after that, and even though there was eventually a Lutheran congregation for Furth, it was mainly Catholic. I believe that Birkenau Catholics were in the Furth parish until they got their own. Given that they were moving in from Schwaben and "Tirol" (not necessarily the actual Tirol, Italy, but at least part of that general migration pattern), and given their marriage, they were likely Catholic. (A check in the actual records would confirm that. Also, I think there is a Furth Familienbuch as well.)"
 		Hinderkirscher, Johann Joachim (I2826)
 
2633 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Hinderkirscher, Anna Margaretha (I2781)
 
2634 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Meyer, Hans Henrich (I2780)
 
2635 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Anna Catharina (I2723)
 
2636 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Schneider, Anna Clara (I2722)
 
2637 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Gross, Johan Ludwig (I2721)
 
2638 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all (Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Dick, Hans Velten (I2717)
 
2639 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Grossen, Johann Henrich (I2693)
 
2640 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Gross, Hans Peter (I2692)
 
2641 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Gross, Maria Barbara (I2685)
 
2642 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."

2. The book "The Howard Leytham Stoker Von Dollen Family Histories," FHL 929.273 H833a, by Doris Lewis, 2017 So. 80th Ave., Omaha, Nebraska, 68124, pp. 88-89 [same information more or less is found in FHL book 929.273 P684pn: "Graybill/Stoker/Eller/Smith/Koons/Pitt Connections," by Norman E. 'Gene' Pitt, 1996, pp. 119-123 - any additional info is shown bracketed]: "Conrad and Katherine Dick were living in Frederick County, Maryland as early as 1755, when 100 acres were registered on August 15, and named Mon Hime, perhaps after Manheim Township in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania or Manheim, Germany. He sold this land in [Mar] 1764 and 10 years later there is a record of buying 200 acres in Rowan County, North Carolina. His early deeds shows he was a weaver by trade. Conrad later was granted [70 acres of] land [in Wilkes County] next to his son-in-law, Peter Eller, which he sold to him. Another Dick, which is probably some relation, named Susan Dick, married Devault Koons, who in turn were the grandparents of George Koons, who married Mary Eller. Children:
a. John [b. abt 1767/9]; m. Mary ___; John sold land to Michael Stoker in Wilkes Co., NC.
b. Marie Catherine, christened 28 Mar 1758 [in Frederick Co., MD].
c. Elizabeth [b. 1750]; m. Peter Eller."
[d. George.]

3. FHL Book 929.273EL54h "George Michael Eller and Descendants of His in America," compiled by James W. Hook, 1957, also on FHL film 896571, item 2, pp. 17-31: "Peter Eller was born, say about 1746 and died in that part of Wilkes County, North Carolina that in 1799 became Ashe County, before 29 Jul 1799 on which date the administration of his estate was given to Betsey and John Eller. He married, say about 1767, probably in Frederick County, Maryland, Elizabeth Dick, daughter of Conrad and Catherine Dick who were living in Frederick Co. as early as 15 Aug 1755 when all of that tract of 'land called Mon Hime' lying on a small creek leading into Beaver Dam Branch in Frederick Co., MD containing 100 acres, was surveyed and patented to Conrad Dick. (B.C. and G.S. No. 5, folio 127, Hall of Records, Annapolis, MD) Beaver Branch is a branch of Little Pipe Creek. Conrad and Catherine Dick, she relinquishing her dower right, sold this land to William Aldridge on 23 Mar 1764 after which they disappear from the Frederick Co. records. He was called a weaver in the deed. (Book J, pp. 244, 245, Frederick Co. Deeds.) Mon Hime, apparently, was his own name for this land and may have been named for the township of Manheim in Bavaria located about 80 miles south of Nurnberg. On 28 March 1758, Marie Catherine Dick, daughter of Conrad Dick and his wife Anna Catherine Dick, was christened in the German Reformed Church of Frederick Co., Maryland.
Conrod Dick (sic) purchased 200 acres of land from Martin Sheets in Rowan Co., NC in 1774. The land was located on Hodge's Fork, a branch of the Uwaree River, now in Davidson or Randolph Co. He sold this land to Adam Bowers, 20 Dec 1785. (Book 10, p. 388, Rowan Co. Deeds.) Coonrod Dick (sic), doubtless the same, was granted 70 acres of land on Rones Creek in Wilkes Co., NC, 28 Nov 1792. A record on film at the Genealogical Society of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at Salt Lake City (FNCW 5B Land Entries, 1778-1781 and 1783-1785, Wilkes Co., NC) shows that this land was entered 20 Feb 1779 but the order for survey, dated 10 Mar 1787, in the Sec'y of State's office in Raleigh, NC, shows that Coonrod Dick's name had been written in over another name that the original entry may have been made for someone else who later assigned his right to Coonrod (Conrad) Dick. The land was surveyed for Conrod Dick (sic), 13 Apr 1795, and found to contain only 70 acres. Jno. Eller and Mich. Stucker (Stoker) signed the survey as chain carriers. (Grant #1258, Secretary of State Office, Raleigh, N.C.) In view of the fact that Peter Eller, son-in-law of Conrad Dick, entered land on Rones Creek about a year later (24 July 1780), it is reasonable to suppose that the two settled in North Carolina at the same time. Whether they came directly form Frederick County, Md. or not is not clear but the fact that Conrad Dick sold his land in Frederick County, Md. in Mar 1764 and didn't show up in NC until ten years later suggests that he may have lived in some intermediate place, say Virginia, meantime. Conrad Dick sold his 70 acres to Peter Eller, 3 Mar 1797. (Deed Book D, p. 165, Wilkes Col, NC.)
A John Dick, son perhaps of Conrad Dick, was granted 86-1/2 acres on the south fork of New River in Ashe Co., on 27 Jun 1797. John Dick Jr. and Jesse Ray attested the survey. John Dick and John Dick Jr. doubtless were father and son. John Dick was also granted 400 acres of land on the south fork of New River on 13 Jun 1798. This grant was accompanied by a document saying that it was issued to correct errors in an earlier grant not identified but probably the one dated 27 Dec 1797 for 400 acres that, on 3 Jan 1783, had been ordered to be surveyed probably for Robert Nall and actually surveyed for John Dick 22 July 1787. John Nall and Alexander Johnson attested the survey. On 1 Dec 1798, John Dick was granted an additional 100 acres on the south fork of New River. This land was first ordered to be surveyed for William Nall on 11 Nov 1779 and actually surveyed for Robert Nall 24 Jun 1794. How it came to be granted later to John Dick is not clear but very likely it was by assignment. (Grants 1484, 1749, 1547 and 1471, Secretary of State's Office, Raleigh, NC.) That John Dick and his wife Mary once lived in Rowan Co. is indicated by a deed of that county dated 3 Sep 1795 wherein John Dick, of Wilkes Co., sold to Jacob Helfer of Rowan Co., 200 acres of land including improvements located on Bear Creek in Rowan Co. He signed the deed 'Johannes Dick' in German script in his own hand. His wife Mary signed with a mark. (Book 14, p. 523, Rowan Co. Deeds.)
Land grants in North Carolina originated with an entry application which was filed in the county where the land was situated and if not lost are now on file there. This was followed, sometimes soon and sometimes years later by an order from the land office for the tract to be surveyed. Sometimes soon and sometimes years later the survey was made and a surveyor's plat filed with the Secretary of State in Raleigh. Then came the grant which may have been issued reasonably near the date of the survey or sometimes several years later. These grants, orders to survey and the survey itself are on file now in the Secretary of State's office at Raleigh. The two grants to Peter Eller totaling 350 acres on Rones Creek in Wilkes County (now Ashe) mentioned above has an entry date of 10 Mar 1780 in Wilkes Co., NC records. (Land Entries 1778-1781, 1783-1795 Wilkes Co., NC, on film at the Gen. Soc. of the LDS Church in Salt Lake City.) This was followed by a warrant of survey, dated 24 Jul 1780. The survey was made 28 Mar 1787 and the grant issued 18 May 1789. Apparently Peter Eller merely retained his entry privilege and did not ask for a survey and grant until some years later, probably about the time he removed there for his farm on Reedy Creek in Rowan (now Davidson County,) North Carolina. The same situation also applied to the Conrad Dick grant of 150 acres on Rones Creek. The Wilkes county entry date is 20 Feb 1779 whereas the order to survey was issued 10 Mar 1787, the grant 28 Nov 1792 and strangely enough the survey was not made until 13 Apr 1795. Very likely it was a resurvey because it showed that instead of containing 150 acres the tract contained only 70 acres, the same acreage that Conrad Dick sold to Peter Eller, 3 Mar 1797 (supra). Quite often there would be an acreage discrepancy between entry and survey. The reason for this was that the entries were estimates and the surveys actual. Instances are also found where a person would make an entry and not follow through, then at a later date make a new entry on the same land. The Wilkes County, NC entries mentioned above were found on microfilm at the Gen. Soc. of the LDS Church. ((FNCW 5B, Land Entries 1778-1781, 1783-1795, Wilkes Co., NC.) The writer is indebted to Honorable Thad Eure, Secretary of State of North Carolina for his letter of 2 Dec 1955 which explains early land grant procedure in North Carolina.
The date of birth for Elizabeth Dick, wife of Peter Eller, is not known. Her eldest son John Eller was born about 1767-1769 and her youngest son George after 1790. This would indicate that she was born not later than about 1749 or 1750. The 1800 census of Ashe County, N.C. states her age as over 45. She probably was alive in 1830 and, according to the Federal Census of Ashe County of that year, living with her son Jacob, her age being shown as between 70 and 80. The fact that her daughter did not have herself baptized for her mother as well as her father at Nauvoo, Ill. in 1841 as shown below, indicates either that she was then living or, as is more likely, that she had embraced the Mormon faith and was baptized in her own lifetime. [KP: This statement now appears in error since it has been found that Catherine Eller Stoker was baptized for Elizabeth White, her mother in 1843, who appeared to have remarried to Luke White, whose baptism was done by Catherine's daughter Mary (Polly) Stoker in 1841.]
Proof of many facts concerning Peter Eller and his family was gleaned from the microfilm records of the Index to Nauvoo (Illinois) Baptisms for the Dead of the [LDS Church] that are in the custody of the Gen. Soc. of the Church in Salt Lake City. They show the following [Kerry's note: baptisms are currently not done cross-gender; however, when first introduced in 1841 on the banks of the Mississippi River, there were indeed indiscriminate cross-gender proxies.]:
1. That Catherine Stoker, wife of Michael Stoker and daughter of Peter Eller had herself baptized in 1841 for:
a. Her deceased grandfather, Kinrod (Conrad) Dick. (Book A, p. 37)
b. Her deceased grandmother, Catherine Dick (Book A, p. 37)
c. Her deceased father, Peter Eller. (Book A, p. 41)
d. Her deceased brother, John Eller. (Book A, p. 42)
e. Her deceased daughter Rebecca Stoker. (Book C, p. 338)
2. Eller Stoker, son of Catherine Stoker had himself baptized in 1841 for:
a. His deceased uncle, George Eller. (Bk. A, p. 41)
3. Michael Stoker, son of Catherine Stoker had himself baptized in 1841 for:
a. His deceased aunt, Barbara Pertune. It is not clear whether this aunt was a sister of his mother or father. (Book A, p. 94)
From the above it is apparent that Catherine (Eller) Stoker in 1841 was living in or near Nauvoo, Illinois. When she and her husband embraced the faith is not known but indications are that it was some years prior to 1841 when they lived in Jackson County, Ohio...
Many counties were formed from what originally was Rowan County, namely Surry and Guilford in 1770, Burke and Wilkes in 1777, Randolph in 1779, Iridell in 1788, Stokes in 1789, Buncomb in 1791, Ashe in1799, Davidson in 1822, Yancey in 1833, Davie in 1836 and Yadkin in 1850. Some of these counties were grandchildren of Rowan County; for instance Wilkes was taken partly from Burke and partly from Surry, Randolph from Guilford, Buncomb and Yancy form Burke, Ashe from Wilkes and Stokes and Yadkin from Surry. These facts must be kept in mind when tracing early Rowan County families.
Land transactions in western North Carolina between 1740 and 1780 were so frequently unrecorded and in some cases titles supplied by the Earl of Granville and other British proprietors were considered so worthless that property owners found it necessary to have their land holdings legalized by grants from the state. This situation may explain why Peter Eller and many other settlers who are known to have lived in Rowan, and what is now Davidson County, of Western North Carolina during the period cannot be found in the records of that time. They must have done something to support themselves and their families and about all they could have done was farm lands that, by squatter rights, they assumed they owned or lands upon which they worked as laborers or tenants. [Kerry's note: Many may have finally gone for the actual grant after the Revolution since a new local and more responsive government was finally in place.]...
Peter Eller added other property to his holdings on 27 Dec 1797 when two parcels of 50 and 25 acres were granted to him by the State of NC. These parcels were surveyed for him on 21 Mar and 11 May respectively. John Dick, Jr., and Leonard Fouts attested the first survey and Michael Stuckard [Stoker] and Peter Eller, Jr. the second. (Grants 1479 and 1532, Secy. of State's Office, Raleigh, NC.) On 3 Mar 1797 he purchased from Conrad Dick, of Wilkes Co., his father-in-law, doubtless, 70 acres of land in Wilkes Co. The deed was witnessed by John and George Koons. (Deed Book D, p. 165, Wilkes Co., NC.) As already mentioned this land had been entered 20 Feb 1779 and surveyed for Conrad Dick 13 Apr 1795 with Jno. Eller and Mich. Stuckers [Stoker] attesting the survey as chain carriers. The land had been granted to him in the amount of 150 acres on 28 Nov 1792 but when surveyed was found to contain only 70 acres. (Grant 1258, Secy. of State's Office, Raleigh, NC.)...
The personal estate of Peter Eller was sold and an accounting reported to the Nov. 1799 court of Wilkes Co., NC by John Eller, Adr. The property, 111 individual sales, consisted of household utensils and furniture, farm yard tools and accessories, including one tomahawk, ten sheep, fifteen head of cattle, among which were a yoke of yearlings and one yearling bull, hogs, geese, bee hives, etc. The widow took a good deal of the furniture and household accessories including interestingly enough a trumpet which indicates that the early Ellers possessed musical interest. Other items taken by her were one lot of books, a chest, five head of hogs, four cows, one mare colt, two sheep, oven, hammer and anvil, and a pair of saddle bags. Other purchasers were John Eller, Peter Eller, Elizabeth Eller Jr., Michael Stucker (Stoker), Michael Bumgardner, Leonard Bumgardner, John Dick, Leonard Pfouts, Jacob Huntsinger, Daniel Dickson, James Dickson, James Cash, William Cash, Henry Michael Sr., Henry Michael Jr., Daniel Michael, Thomas Baker, Alexander Smith who purchased the tomahawk and some of the farm animals and other items, David Smith, Frederick Younce, Christian Shear, Abraham Shear, Coonrod Coldiron, David Ingram, Balsar Raime, Conrat Grub, William Colward, George Miller, John Calloway, Allen Nowlin, John Holman and John Tirey. The amount of the sale, including the items taken by the widow totaled 300 pounds, 18 shillings, 7 pence. (Will Book 1, pp. 540-41, Wilkes Co., NC.)"

4. The following was posted on the Internet at a site concerning "Brethren-Genealogy" by Dwayne Wrightsman 30 Aug 2009 at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BRETHREN/2009-08/1251658713 accessed 2 May 2015. See comments about this posting in a separate note below by Rose Green:
"Conrad Dick was the head of the German Dick family that settled in Wilkes/Ashe County, NC, in 1788. His daughter, Maria Elizabetha Dick (baptized 18 December 1746, Evangelisch-Reformierte, Altrip, Pfalz) was married to Peter Eller who also settled with the Dicks in Wilkes/Ashe in 1788. Conrad's son, John Dick, and John's son, John Dick Jr., also arrived in Wilkes/Ashe in 1788. The younger John Dick was a Brethren elder who worked with elder Joseph Roland and elder Isham Gibson with the Long Creek Brethren in Muhlenberg, KY, and with the Sugar Creek Brethren in Sangamon, IL.
The Conrad Dick family is not well known in Brethren history compared to the Adam Dick family (of the Conestoga and Conewago congregations of Lancaster and York Counties, PA). We do not know if these two Dick families were related.
The wife of Conrad Dick was Anna Catharina. Her surname is not given in the literature. However, by checking German Reformed Church records it appears that she was born Anna Catharina Gross, 22 August 1717, Evangelisch-Reformierte, Altrip, Pfalz, daughter of Peter and Elsabetha Gross. At age 18 she married the widower Hans Jakob Bargeld, 15 November 1735, Altrip, Pfalz. By this marriage she bore two sons, Joh. Michel and Joh. Christoffel, whose births, 6 January, 1738, and 9 April, 1741, respectively, were recorded in the Evangelisch-Reformierte, Altrip, Pfalz, church records. Hans Jakob Ba(a)rgeld died 10 May 1744. On 22 February 1746, the widow Catharina Baargeldin married Johann Conrad Dick of Heddesheim. The marriage was recorded in the Evangelisch-Reformierte, Altrip Pfalz, church records. On 18 December 1746, their daughter Maria Elizabeth Dick was baptized, Evangelische-Reformierte, Altrip Pfalz. This was the daughter of Conrad Dick who married Peter Eller, oldest son of George Michael Eller of Frederick County, MD.
Given that Conrad Dick's wife was a widow of a widower, it is possible that Conrad Dick himself had been previously married. Since wife Anna Catharina (nee Gross) was born in 1717, Conrad Dick may have been born earlier than the "about 1725" birth year usually assigned to him in various genealogical accounts. Church birth/baptism records for Conrad Dick and for Adam Dick have not been found. Adam Dick's birth year was 1709 and his death year was 1785 according his German tombstone inscription, Mummerts Cemetery, Hamilton Twp., York Co., PA. Conrad Dick's birth and death years are both unknown.
Heddesheim and Altrip were villages on the outskirts of Manheim/Mannheim, Germany. When Conrad Dick bought 100 acres on a small creek leading into the Beaver Dam Branch of Little Pipe Creek in Frederick County, MD, in 1755, he named his tract "Mon Hime" apparently after his being from Manheim/Mannheim. Conrad Dick could neither read nor write. His family's immigration is unknown, but it was probably sometime between 1747 and 1753. He was naturalized in Maryland in 1760.
In 1758, a second daughter, Maria Catherine Dick, was born to Conrad and Anna Catharina Dick. She was baptized 28 March 1758, German Reformed Church, Frederick, Frederick, Maryland. Apparently the Conrad Dick family was not yet Brethren at that time even though they lived in the Beaver Creek - Pipe Creek among many Brethren families who were picking up and moving to North Carolina.
Conrad Dick sold his "Mon Hime" property on Beaver Creek in Frederick, Maryland, in 1764. Ten years later (1774) he bought 200 acres on Hodge's Fork of the Uwharrie River in North Carolina. He and his son John and his son-in-law Peter Eller settled in various parts of the Rowan County area of North Carolina until they converged in Wilkes County in 1788. Whether or not they were Brethren is unknown but what is known is that they associated with the Brethren on the Uwharrie River, on the Forks of the Yadkin, and on Reedy Creek prior to joining the Brethren settlement on the New River in Wilkes County, NC."

5. FHL book 929.273 D55h "History of Peter and Christina Shutt Dick Family; Frederick Co. Maryland; Wilkes Co. North Carolina; Muhlenberg Co. Kentucky; Sangamon Co. Illinois; Cass Co. Illinois," compiled by Muriel M. Hoffman; Anchor, Illinois; 1970; Chapter II "Ancestry of Peter Dick":
"Peter Dick was born Oct. 27, 1780 in North Carolina, the son of John and Elizabeth Rolland Dick, also natives of one of the Carolinas, who died in Kentucky when very old. The ancestry was German.(2) (We have reason to believe that John may be a native of Maryland.) Nowhere else is the mother's name recorded except as Mary on a deed in North Carolina.
Morgan District, Wilkes Co. N. Car. 1790 census
John Dick, 1 male over 16; 3 males under 16; 5 females
The following paragraphs are from research contributed by Miss Wilda Chase of Lincoln, Neb. from her Dick family history. The North Carolina research was done by a Dick-Eller descendant and the Kentucky research about Conrod Dick II by a Baptist preacher in Kentucky and that material was given to Miss Chase...
Coonrod Dick appears to be the first found ancestor of this family but little is known about him. He does not appear on any passenger list of those coming to this country. His given name is found spelled variously as Coonrod, Conrad, Kinrod, Koonrod, etc. He was of German birth.
Conrad Dick was in Frederick Co. Md. 15 Aug. 1755 when all that tract of land called "Mon Hime" lying on a small creek leading into Beaver Dam Branch and containing 100 acres was surveyed and patented to him. (B.C. and G.S. #5, folio 127, Hall of Records, Annapolis, Md.) On Mar. 23, 1764 Conrad Dick signed by mark a deed for this land to William Aldridge, his wife, Catherine consenting (J 224-5). Here they disappear from Maryland records.
He appears to be identical with the Conrad Dick found in Wilkes County, North Carolina with others from Frederick Co. Md. 20 Feb.1779, Coonrod Dick enters 150 acres of land (868). 28 March 1792, he was granted 70 acres (1068) which he sold to Peter Eller 3 March 1797. It seems strange he is not found on any census list. He cannot have been living with any of his known children as their families do not include any one of his age. The only possible explanation seems to be that his name was misread and appears as Conrad Fite in the printed census records.
No tombstone nor death records are found for either Conrad or his wife, Catherine (Anna Catherine, on other information). That she was the mother of his children is shown in the marriage record of their granddaughter, Catherine Eller Stoker, and in the baptism of their daughter, Maria Catherine. Probable children of this couple, order of birth unknown were:
1. John Dick. The fact that Elizabeth Eller's son acted as agent for the sale of part of his land after he moved to Kentucky, plus the fact that he had children Coonrad and Catherine makes it seem probable he was their son.
2. Elizabeth Dick married Peter Eller (see later paragraphs).
3. Maria Catherine Dick christened Frederick Co. 28 March, 1758."

2. The following partial excerpt is from the article "Michael and Catherine Eller Stoker's Descendants in Illinois" by Jimmie "B" Stoker, July 30, 1994 from the book "Our Stoker Family Histories 1731-1881," Vol. II, comp. and ed. by Elayne Stoker, 2004, printed by Stevenson's Genealogy Center, Provo, UT, The numbers in the text refer to endnotes at the end of the article. See Catherine Martha Eller's notes for the full and complete transcript which is quite lengthy and only deals with her children in the Illinois period of Mormon history:
"In 1841 Catherine Eller and members of her family traveled to Nauvoo to perform baptisms for their dead. At this time the church policy allowed men and women to be baptized indiscriminately for each other. Catherine was baptized for her father, Peter Eller, and her brother, John Eller. She may have been baptized for her deceased daughter, Rebecca Stoker at this date. Michael Stoker (1805-1858) was baptized for his Grandfather Stoker, Michael (1762-1838), Eller Stoker (1816-1857) was baptized for his uncle, George Eller.16 It is most probable that these 1841 Stoker baptisms were performed in the Mississippi River. The first baptisms for the dead performed in the Nauvoo Temple font took place on Sunday November 21, 1841 in the basement. This temporary font had been dedicated a couple of weeks earlier and would be used until the Temple was completed with a permanent one.17 The following Stoker family members were baptized for these dead members of their families:
Catherine Eller Stoker [person baptized for/relationship to above]:
Elizabeth [Dick Eller] White/Mother
George M. Eller/Grandfather
Kinrod Dick/Grandfather
Catherine Dick/Grandmother
Peter Eller/Father
John Eller/Brother
Rebecca Stoker/Daughter
Michael Stoker (1805-1858)
Michael Stoker/Grandfather
Barbary Pertune/Aunt
Absalom Koons/Cousin
Eller Stoker (1816-1857)
Christian Sherrer/Great uncle
Sarah Sherrer/Great aunt
Jacob Sherrer/Mother's cousin
Catherine Sherrer/Mother's cousin
Philip Baker/Uncle
George Baker/Cousin
George Eller/Uncle
Margaret [Judd] Stoker
William McQuarey/Uncle
James Welker
Sarah Wilker/Mother
Elizabeth Stoker Welker
Lear Black/Mother's cousin
William Pennington/Uncle
Mary Polly Stoker Graybill
Molly Coons/Great aunt
Andrew Sherer/Mother's cousin
Andrew Black/Mother's cousin
Catherine Yance/Mother's cousin
Luke White/Step-grandfather
Mary Steemel [Stimmel]/Aunt.18"
Certainly Catherine Eller and her Stoker family members were not of the opinion that all was doom [after the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum Smith]. Before July was over they were again performing baptisms for dead relatives. On July 28, Catherine Eller was baptized for her dead grandfather, George Michael Eller, her daughter, Elizabeth Stoker Welker, was baptized for William Pennington, one of her mother's brothers-in-law.61"

BAPTISM: Per notes above.
ENDOWMENT: Family Search accessed 4 May 2015.
SEALING TO PARENTS: Family Search accessed 4 May 2015.
SEALING TO SPOUSE:
Bargeld: Family Search accessed 4 May 2015.
DIck: Family Search accessed 4 May 2015. 		Gross, Anna Catharina (I1862)
 
2643 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Dick, Johann Michael (I1692)
 
2644 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."

2. Email dated 5 May 2015 from family researcher Rose Green :
"I found someone doing a project on this migration pattern:
Website http://www.mueller-heppenheim.de/tiroler1.htm (accessed 5 May 2015) entitled "Migration history: Contribution to Immigration by Tyroleans in the Pfalz and in adjacent territories 1650-1750," by Dr. Hermann Müller, Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse. This website is in German by can be translated by Google.
Apparently the word "Tirol" to postwar (30 Years War) Germany is what "Palatine" is to America. It doesn't necessarily mean Tirol itself, but could also include other regions. Here is (translated) their explanation of the term: "The term "Tiroler" is used here as a collective term for all immigrants from the Western Austrian alpine region of the time regardless of the current expansion of the Austrian province of Tyrol and the Italian province of South Tyrol. Hence immigrants from Vorarlberg, the Allgäu and Oberschwaben be considered Tiroler."
Here are some names from this site that have been identified in church records as "Tiroler," this batch from the Furth Familienbuch (Fürth im Odenwald -- Ludwig Knapp: Familienbuch Fürth 1663 - 1712). Note Baltzer (2x), Sommer (1x) Hinderkircher/Hinterkircher (2x) [marked with an asterisk in front of the surname]:
BERNTAUER, Christian, aus Tirol, Berg- und Erzknappe (miner and ore-miner), 1663 und 1670 Taufe von Kindern in Fürth (baptism of children in Fürth).
BUCHEL, Michael, aus Tirol, Pate (was a godfather) am 23.04.1664 in Fürth.
BUCHER (BUCHARDT), Andreas, aus Tirol, wohnt in (lived in) Weschnitz , Erzbach und Fürth, Steiger des Bergwerks in Weschnitz (overseer of the mine), ab 1669 im KB Fürth genannt (named in the Fürth church records starting in 1669).
EINBACHER, Georg, Weschnitz, Bergmann (miner), aus Tirol, m. Fürth 21.08.1679 BEHS Anna aus Bayern.
ENGSTRAßER, Sebastian, aus Tirol, 1696 in Fürth genannt (named in Fürth in1696).
FEHR (FÄHR, FEYER), Konrad, Steinbach, stammt aus Tirol (living in Steinbach but of Tirol), Zimmermann (carpenter), m. Fürth 28.01.1700 Anna ALLHEUSER.
GAßNER, Christian, Fürth, aus Tirol, Maurer und Steinhauer (mason and stonemason), 1679 erstmals in Fürth genannt (first mentioned in Fürth in 1679).
GRIMM, Blasius, aus Mautendorf/Salzburg. Seine Frau Barbara starb (his wife Barbara died) am 27.07.1679 in Fürth.
HAUBT, Simon, aus Schwaz/Tirol, † Fürth vor 09.05.1678. (d. bef 9 May 1678)
HECH, Georg, aus Tirol, Tochter Wandalina (daughter named Wandalina) m. 02.05.1680 in Fürth den Tiroler Abraham STEIGER.
HEINHEUSER (HEIGENHÄUSER, HEUCHENHEUSER), Sebastian, Weschnitz (living in Weschnitz), Verwalter (some kind of administrator), aus Waderingen/Tirol, * err. 1646 (birth estimated 1646), m. Fürth 21.08.1679 WEYS Anna.
*HINDERKIRCHER, Joachim, Weschnitz, Bergmann, Köhler (miner and charcoal burner), aus Tirol, m. Fürth 01.02.1685 Susanne BALTZER.
KOLL, Johann, aus dem Gau Mettering in Österreich, m. Fürth 31.08.1676 Eva, Witwe des (widow of) David SEULHACKER in Erlenbach.
LAMPRECHT, Christian, aus Kirchdorf in Tirol, Bergmann, m. Fürth 24.04.1701 ALLHEUSER Elisabeth aus Steinbach.
MESSNER, Thomas, aus Innsbruck in Tirol, 1669 in der Fürther Zent.
MEYER, Alban, Weschnitz, Bergmann aus Tirol, m. Fürth 01.02.1685 BUß Anna Elisabeth.
NIEß, Urban, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 16.05.1672 Anna Maria BUCHER.
*N.N. Ein Tiroler heiratet am 15.05.1691. Trauzeugen sind (witnesses are) Andreas BUCHARDT, Weschnitz, und Joachim HINDERKIRCHER, Weschnitz.
PICHTER (RICHTER ?), Hans, Hammerschmied aus Tirol, 1663 Taufe der Tochter Maria Katharina.
SANGERLE, Leonhard, aus Tobadill, Gericht Landeck, Tirol, 1702 stirbt der Sohn Lorenz in Fürth. (son Lorenz died in Fürth)
SCHERER, Balthasar, aus Tirol, Bergknappe in Weschnitz, oo Fürth 12.08.1672 Anna Katharina KEIL aus Fürth.
SENGERLE, Johann, aus Tirol, S. d. Christian S. in Tirol, * err. 1649, Maurer in Kröckelbach und Brombach, m. Fürth 22.01.1685 Anna Maria BUCHER, Witwe des aus Tirol stammenden Urban NIEß, Weschnitz.
SENGERLE (ZENGERLE), Georg, Steinbach, aus Tirol, * err. 1644, m. Fürth 07.10.1680 Margaretha, Witwe des Thomas ALLHEUSER aus Steinbach.
SCHWENDERER, Peter, aus Bußendorf/Salzburg, m. Fürth 20.07.1684, MUNCH Ursula Barbara.
*SOMMER, Joseph, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 04.12.1685 BALTZER, Margaretha, aus Schwaben.
SOMMERER, Thomas, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergknappe in Weschnitz, † Fürth 23.06.1672.
STANGER, Wolfgang, 1708 in Fürth genannt.
STEIGER, Abraham, aus Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 02.05.1680 Wandalina HECH aus Tirol.
STEINER, Hans, (aus Tirol ?), 1663 in Fürth genannt.
STEINLE, Lenhardt, Bergknappe aus Tirol, 1664 Geburt der Tochter Maria.
ULRICH (identisch mit UHL ?), Kaspar, Fürth, Maurer aus Tirol, kath., 1675 Taufpate in der ref. Pfarrei Wald-Michelbach.
WERTENSOHN, Hans, aus Langenau, "in den vier Herrschaften Gregels (?) gelegen" (Vorarlberg?), 1669 - 1679 Lindenfels, dann Fürth. Zimmermann, Bierzapfer, Gastwirt.
It says to note the miners (Bergleute). In 1700, the mining operations at Weschnitz had ended, so they stopped coming.
Additionally, there is this person from nearby Michelstadt:
*HINTERKIRCHER, Joachim, Kohlmesser auf der Schmelz (measures coal in the fire or something - sorry, I don't know mining terms!), aus Tirol, † 1695 in Hammer-Michelstadt.
Sounds like a whole lot of people headed that way."

MARRIAGE:
1. Email dated 4 May 2015 from family researcher Rose Green :
"Johann Joachim Hinderkircher and Susanna Baltzer, were married in 1685 in Furth. The Lutheran records don't start until some years after that, and even though there was eventually a Lutheran congregation for Furth, it was mainly Catholic. I believe that Birkenau Catholics were in the Furth parish until they got their own. Given that they were moving in from Schwaben and "Tirol" (not necessarily the actual Tirol, Italy, but at least part of that general migration pattern), and given their marriage, they were likely Catholic. (A check in the actual records would confirm that. Also, I think there is a Furth Familienbuch as well.)"
 		Baltzer, Susanna (I1691)
 
2645 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Dick, Anna Maria (I1634)
 
2646 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."
 		Dick, Tobias (I1616)
 
2647 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881:
Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury
Wills 1678, A-Z Image 259 of 420 for Robert Knight
Will written 1 February 1674/5
Robert Knight of the parish of Bignor[sic], Kent, [Bicknor]
-son Henry Knight
-daughter Elizabeth
-daughter Anne
-son William
-son Richard
-wife Elizabeth Knight
-son Robert Knight
Will proved 10 December 1678
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23191-43249-90?cc=1949814&wc=M68K-B66:250713701,250719201,251399501 : accessed 26 July 2015), Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1678, A-Z > image 259 of 420; County Record Office, Maidstone.

DEATH:
1. No burial record or remarriage record found for Elizabeth in Bicknor Church records.
 		Rayner, Elizabeth (I3915)
 
2648 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. English Censuses:
1841: Arlington Parish, Cobb's House:
Cornelius Osborn, 65, Ag. Lab.
Dinah Osborn, 65.

1851: Arlington Parish, enumerated 30 Mar 1851, p. 5, Cobbs House, per copy on file:
Cornelius Osborne, married, age 76, agricultural laborer, infirm, born in Arlington, Sussex.
Dianah, married, age 75, born Westhauer, Sussex.
Jane, daughter, unmarried, 35, Union Parish Pay Infirm, born in Arlington, Sussex.

2. Source of christening, marriage, and burial information from extracts of the Registers of Arlington Parish Church, Sussex, England from 1700 onwards by correspondence (copy on file) of 30 Nov 1953 from George Mitchell of Berwick Rectory, Nr. Polegate, Sussex. I include all extracts for research purposes. Cover letter reads: "In reply to your request for information about the Osborne family, I have searched the Registers from 1700 onwards, and find the entries given on the enclosed sheet. It is unfortunate that the marriage entries are so few, but it must be remembered that marriages usually take place in the woman's parish, and there is no means of finding out where this might be apart from inspecting the registers of the district. I have no record at all under the name of Daw; Con Osborne is married to Sarah Coleman in his 24th year, but if this is the Sarah who died in 1806, he may have married again between 1806 and 1813, though for the reason given the marriage would not be in the Arlington Registers. I have an older Register going back to 1609, but I have not searched this; it is in latin, and would take some time to go through... There is no one of the name of Osborne in the parish now, and my oldest inhabitants cannot remember any family of this name. The parish, which still covers about 24 square miles, was twice as large until 1845, when a 'daughter' parish was carved out of it, and it may be that there are entries after this year in the records of that Parish... If you are interested in 'your old Church,' I may say that it is an unusually fine one, and dates back before the landing of the Conqueror..." He also notes: "It is more than likely that 'Osborne' and 'Osborn' are the same family, and 'Edward' and 'Edmond' may be the same person." The (*) individuals are Con, his two wives Sarah and Dinah, or their children:
Baptisms:
*1774 June 5, Con, son of Edmund and Ann Osborn.
1776 Feb 25, Nahomi, dau. of Edmund and Ann Osborn.
1777 May 18, Bartholomew, son of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1778 Dec 20, Walter, son of Edmund and Ann Osborn.
1782 Apr 7, Thomas, son of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1783 Nov 16, Mary, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1785 Mar 11, Bethena, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1788 Jul 28, Ruth, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborne.
1791 Dec 5, Eleanor, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1789 Aug 9, Edward, son of Edw. and Ann Osborne.
1792 Oct 27, Arpach, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1802 Dec 13, Elizabeth, dau. of Bartholomew Osborn (wife's name not given).
*1804 May 13, Harriett, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
*1806 Apr 27, John, son of Cornelius and Sarah Osborne.
*1813 Oct 10, Cornelius, son of Cornelius and Dinah Osborn.
*1816 Jul 7, Jane, dau. of Cornelius and Dinah Osborn.
1817 Nov 30, Thomas, son of Walter and Mary Osborne (Register notes 'An adult of 21 years).
1822 Oct 20, Sophia, dau. of Walter and Mary Osborne.
1825 May 29, Henry, son of Walter and Mary Osborne.
1833 May 12, Charles, son of Walter and Mary Osborne.
1858 May 16, William, son of Geo. and Hannay Osborn.
No date, Harriet Sophia, dau. of Geo. and Hannay Osborn.
1869 Oct 3, Caroline Mary, dau. of John and Sarah Osborne (age 14 months), address: Stratford Place Mews, St. Marylbone, London and occupation as coachman.
1870 May 15, Alice Emily, dau. of John and Sarah Osborne (age 12 weeks), address: Stratford Place Mews, St. Marylbone, London and occupation as coachman.
1871 Nov 5, John, son of John and Sarah Osborne, address: Stratford Place Mews, St. Marylbone, London and occupation as coachman.
Marriages:
1709 Jan 24, Nupti fuerant Richardus Osborne and Elizbeth Miller.
1735 Apr 6, Edmund Osborne and Mary Bishop were married by banns.
*1798 Oct 16, Con Osborne and Sarah Coleman with banns recording 'both of Arlington.'
Burials:
1777 Aug 9, Nahomi, dau. of Edmund and Ann Osborn.
1786 Nov 20, Bethena Osborn (Inft.).
1792 Oct 28, Arpach Osborn.
1795 Jul 26, Sophia Osborn.
*1806 Aug 5, Sarah Osburn.
1820 Oct 5, Ann Osborn aged 70 years.
1835 Jan 16, Charles Osborne aged 1 yr. 9 mos.
1836 Oct 29, Elizabeth Osborne aged 77 yrs.
1842 Dec 23, Walter Osborne aged 64 years.
1845 Aug 21, John Osborne aged 84 years.
1846 May 30, John Philip Osborne aged 60 yrs.
1847 May 12, Ursula Elizabeth Osborne aged 30 years.
*1860 Feb 1, Cornelius Osborne aged 85 yrs.
*1860 Oct 6, Dinah Osborne aged 85 yrs.
1862 Feb 3, Jane Osborn aged 47 yrs.
1872 Nov 16, Mary Osborn aged 83 yrs.
1873 Jan 6, Emily Osborn aged 9 weeks.

3. Reviewed Rootsweb Worldconnect and LDS Family Search 15 May 2003.

4. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Con (bapt. 5 Jun 1774) married Sarah Coleman (bapt. 13 Apr 1774 buried; 2 Jul 1806) and Dinah Daw (bapt.13 Apr 1775 Westham). Her father was Thomas Daw, mother Mary Hilton (buried 2 Oct 1783). They married on 17 Oct 1768 and their children were Mary bapt. 9 Apr 1769, Sarah 20 May 1770, Jane 29 Dec 1771, Thomas 24 Mar 1773, Dinah 13 Apr 1775, William 8 Feb 1777, James 3 Sep 1779, Samuel 4 Apr 1783.

CHRISTENING:
1. See Arlington Parish Registers cited above.

MARRIAGE:
1. Sarah Coleman: Per banns published for 1798, p. 33, presumably of Arlington, Sussex, England (no source given by Chris Petersen on note found in my file): Con Osborne of this parish and Sarah Coleman of this parish. 23 Sep 1798, 30 Sep 1798, and 7 Oct 1798. He also has the following marriages and bann noted as follows but unsure of relation without further research:
a. Banns of marriage betwween John Coleman of the parish of Wilmington and Dinah Osborn of this parish were published on the three sundays under written this is to say on sunday the 11th Sept., 18th Sept, and 25th Sept. 1796.
b. 1796, par. 232/1/1/4: John Coleman of the parish of Wilmington and Dinah Osborn of this parish married in this church by banns 18 Oct 1796.

2. Dinah Daw: Extracted marriage record for St. Thomas, Lewes, Sussex County, England arranged chronologically by the marriage date, batch No. M148121.

DEATH:
1. Per copy of death certificate on file from the General Register Office: Hailsham District, Sussex County, 1860, No. 161: Died 27 Jan 1860 at Arlington, Cornelius Osborne, male, 85 years, labourer, died of natural causes, reported 10 Feb1860 by Deputy Coroner.

BURIAL:
1. Registers of Arlington, Sussex, England by correspondence as cited above.
 		Osborn, Cornelius (I1257)
 
2649 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. English Censuses:
1841: Location unknown (copy on file but with no source or location annotated):
Cornelius Osborn, 65, Ag. Lab.
Dinah Osborn, 65.

1851: Arlington Parish, enumerated 30 Mar 1851, p. 5, ?obbs House, per copy on file:
Cornelius Osborne, married, age 76, agricultural laborer, infirm, born in Arlington, Sussex.
Dianah, married, age 75, born Westhauer, Sussex.
Jane, daughter, unmarried, 35, Union Parish Pay Infrim, born in Arlington, Sussex.

2. Source of christening, marriage, and burial information from extracts of the Registers of Arlington Parish Church, Sussex, England from 1700 onwards by correspondence (copy on file) of 30 Nov 1953 from George Mitchell of Berwick Rectory, Nr. Polegate, Sussex. I include all extracts for research purposes. Cover letter reads: "In reply to your request for information about the Osborne family, I have searched the Registers from 1700 onwards, and find the entries given on the enclosed sheet. It is unfortunate that the marriage entries are so few, but it must be remembered that marriages usually take place in the woman's parish, and there is no means of finding out where this might be apart from inspecting the registers of the district. I have no record at all under the name of Daw; Con Osborne is married to Sarah Coleman in his 24th year, but if this is the Sarah who died in 1806, he may have married again between 1806 and 1813, though for the reason given the marriage would not be in the Arlington Registers. I have an older Register going back to 1609, but I have not searched this; it is in latin, and would take some time to go through... There is no one of the name of Osborne in the parish now, and my oldest inhabitants cannot remember any family of this name. The parish, which still covers about 24 square miles, was twice as large until 1845, when a 'daughter' parish was carved out of it, and it may be that there are entries after this year in the records of that Parish... If you are interested in 'your old Church,' I may say that it is an unusually fine one, and dates back before the landing of the Conqueror..." He also notes: "It is more than likely that 'Osborne' and 'Osborn' are the same family, and 'Edward' and 'Edmond' may be the same person." The (*) individuals are Con, his two wives Sarah and Dinah, or their children:
Baptisms:
*1774 June 5, Con, son of Edmund and Ann Osborn.
1776 Feb 25, Nahomi, dau. of Edmund and Ann Osborn.
1777 May 18, Bartholomew, son of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1778 Dec 20, Walter, son of Edmund and Ann Osborn.
1782 Apr 7, Thomas, son of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1783 Nov 16, Mary, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1785 Mar 11, Bethena, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1788 Jul 28, Ruth, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborne.
1791 Dec 5, Eleanor, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1789 Aug 9, Edward, son of Edw. and Ann Osborne.
1792 Oct 27, Arpach, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
1802 Dec 13, Elizabeth, dau. of Bartholomew Osborn (wife's name not given).
*1804 May 13, Harriett, dau. of Edw. and Ann Osborn.
*1806 Apr 27, John, son of Cornelius and Sarah Osborne.
*1813 Oct 10, Cornelius, son of Cornelius and Dinah Osborn.
*1816 Jul 7, Jane, dau. of Cornelius and Dinah Osborn.
1817 Nov 30, Thomas, son of Walter and Mary Osborne (Register notes 'An adult of 21 years).
1822 Oct 20, Sophia, dau. of Walter and Mary Osborne.
1825 May 29, Henry, son of Walter and Mary Osborne.
1833 May 12, Charles, son of Walter and Mary Osborne.
1858 May 16, William, son of Geo. and Hannay Osborn.
No date, Harriet Sophia, dau. of Geo. and Hannay Osborn.
1869 Oct 3, Caroline Mary, dau. of John and Sarah Osborne (age 14 months), address: Stratford Place Mews, St. Marylbone, London and occupation as coachman.
1870 May 15, Alice Emily, dau. of John and Sarah Osborne (age 12 weeks), address: Stratford Place Mews, St. Marylbone, London and occupation as coachman.
1871 Nov 5, John, son of John and Sarah Osborne, address: Stratford Place Mews, St. Marylbone, London and occupation as coachman.
Marriages:
1709 Jan 24, Nupti fuerant Richardus Osborne and Elizbeth Miller.
1735 Apr 6, Edmund Osborne and Mary Bishop were married by banns.
*1798 Oct 16, Con Osborne and Sarah Coleman with banns recording 'both of Arlington.'
Burials:
1777 Aug 9, Nahomi, dau. of Edmund and Ann Osborn.
1786 Nov 20, Bethena Osborn (Inft.).
1792 Oct 28, Arpach Osborn.
1795 Jul 26, Sophia Osborn.
*1806 Aug 5, Sarah Osburn.
1820 Oct 5, Ann Osborn aged 70 years.
1835 Jan 16, Charles Osborne aged 1 yr. 9 mos.
1836 Oct 29, Elizabeth Osborne aged 77 yrs.
1842 Dec 23, Walter Osborne aged 64 years.
1845 Aug 21, John Osborne aged 84 years.
1846 May 30, John Philip Osborne aged 60 yrs.
1847 May 12, Ursula Elizabeth Osborne aged 30 years.
*1860 Feb 1, Cornelius Osborne aged 85 yrs.
*1860 Oct 6, Dinah Osborne aged 85 yrs.
1862 Feb 3, Jane Osborn aged 47 yrs.
1872 Nov 16, Mary Osborn aged 83 yrs.
1873 Jan 6, Emily Osborn aged 9 weeks.

3. Email from Val Bray [mailto:valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au], Aug 22, 2006: My information from Folkington, Sussex (very close to Arlington) came from FHL film 1364154, and the Sussex Marriages Index (a CD issued by the Sussex Family History Group from parish registers).
Con (bapt. 5 Jun 1774) married Sarah Coleman (bapt. 13 Apr 1774 buried; 2 Jul 1806) and Dinah Daw (bapt.13 Apr 1775 Westham). Her father was Thomas Daw, mother Mary Hilton (buried 2 Oct 1783). They married on 17 Oct 1768 and their children were Mary bapt. 9 Apr 1769, Sarah 20 May 1770, Jane 29 Dec 1771, Thomas 24 Mar 1773, Dinah 13 Apr 1775, William 8 Feb 1777, James 3 Sep 1779, Samuel 4 Apr 1783.

4. Email from Val Bray [valjoy.bray@yahoo.com.au] October 22, 2006: In your notes you have a query on the 1841 census for Cornelius and Dinah. It is Arlington parish and their address is Cobb's House which answers your 1851 query. I have copies if you want them.

CHRISTENING:
1. Online Ordinance Index extracted christening record for Westham, Sussex County, England; batch CO42861 - includes parents as Thos. Daw and Mary. Birth shown as 13 Apr 1775.

MARRIAGE:
1. Extracted marriage record for St. Thomas, Lewes, Sussex County, England arranged chronologically by the marriage date, batch No. M148121.

DEATH:
1. Per copy of death certificate on file from the General Register Office: Hailsham District, Sussex County, 1860, No. 229: Died 3 Oct 1860 at Cobbs Arlington, Dinah Osborne, female, 85 years, widow of Cornelius Osborne farm labourer, died of Anasarci 2 years, reported 3 Oct 1860 by James Crawhurst in attendance at Arlington.

BURIAL:
1. Registers of Arlington, Sussex, England by correspondence as cited above.
 		Daw, Diana or Dinah (I1813)
 
2650 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. English Censuses:
1841: Location unknown (copy on file but with no source or location annotated):
Cornelius Osborn, 65, Ag. Lab.
Dinah Osborn, 65.

1851: Arlington Parish, enumerated 30 Mar 1851, p. 5, ?obbs House, per copy on file:
Cornelius Osborne, married, age 76, agricultural laborer, infirm, born in Arlington, Sussex.
Dianah, married, age 75, born Westhauer, Sussex.
Jane, daughter, unmarried, 35, Union Parish Pay Infirm, born in Arlington, Sussex.

CHRISTENING:
1. Source of christening and burial information from extracts of the Registers of Arlington Parish Church, Sussex, England from 1700 onwards by correspondence (copy on file) of 30 Nov 1953 from George Mitchell of Berwick Rectory, Nr. Polegate, Sussex. Cover letter reads: "In reply to your request for information about the Osborne family, I have searched the Registers from 1700 onwards, and find the entries given on the enclosed sheet. It is unfortunate that the marriage entries are so few, but it must be remembered that marriages usually take place in the woman's parish, and there is no means of finding out where this might be apart from inspecting the registers of the district. I have no record at all under the name of Daw; Con Osborne is married to Sarah Coleman in his 24th year, but if this is the Sarah who died in 1806, he may have married again between 1806 and 1813, though for the reason given the marriage would not be in the Arlington Registers. I have an older Register going back to 1609, but I have not searched this; it is in latin, and would take some time to go through... There is no one of the name of Osborne in the parish now, and my oldest inhabitants cannot remember any family of this name. The parish, which still covers about 24 square miles, was twice as large until 1845, when a 'daughter' parish was carved out of it, and it may be that there are entries after this year in the records of that Parish... If you are interested in 'your old Church,' I may say that it is an unusually fine one, and dates back before the landing of the Conqueror..." He also notes: "It is more than likely that 'Osborne' and 'Osborn' are the same family, and 'Edward' and 'Edmond' may be the same person."
Baptisms:
1816 Jul 7, Jane, dau. of Cornelius and Dinah Osborn.
Burials:
1862 Feb 3, Jane Osborn aged 47 yrs.

MARRIAGE:
1. Most likely unmarried because there are no marriage records in Arlington Parish and it appears she is the individual listed in the burial below with her maiden name of Osborn.

BURIAL:
1. Most likely the Jane cited above 3 Feb 1862, age 47, in the Arlington Parish Registers as cited above. Age though is off a year or so.

ACTION:
1. Look up in 1861 British census for Arlington to verify she is still unmarried and make case for her being the burial of 1862 as cited above. 		Osborne, Jane (I1568)
 

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