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2451 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Elizabeth (I5185)
 
2452 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Margareta (I5184)
 
2453 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Amies, Margaret (I5183)
 
2454 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Richard (I5182)
 
2455 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Edward (I5181)
 
2456 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Arthur (I5180)
 
2457 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Eagleton, Mary (I5179)
 
2458 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, John (I5178)
 
2459 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Watts, Elizabeth (I5177)
 
2460 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, William (I5176)
 
2461 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice (I5175)
 
2462 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, William (I5173)
 
2463 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Larkin, John (I5159)
 
2464 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Izard (I5158)
 
2465 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.

2. Jack Cade's Rebellion of 1450: A Database of Names of those Receiving Pardons, taken from Calendar of Patent Rolls Henry VI 5 (1909) pp. 338-374 accessed from https://familysearch.org. This spreadsheet of about 3449 persons was created by Merton Historical Society in September 2014, and is accessible at http://www.mertonhistoricalsociety.org.uk/index.php?cat=morden&sec=!rebels
For more detail on this listing and the event see http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Pub/ArchCant/007%20-%201868/007-03.pdf
Spice:
Geoffrey Spyce, Plukley, Kent, taillour

3. The following extraction was made from the "Index to the Kent Lay Subsidy Roll of 1334/5," by H.A. Hanley, B.A. and C.W. Chalklin, M.A., B. Litt accessed 11 Feb 2016. From this index, the actual entries are found in "The Kent Lay Subsidy Roll of 1334/5," by the same authors accessed 12 Feb 2016. The second document more fully explains the history of this Lay Subsity. This was a tax assessed on householders; however, it probably only represents about 50% of the householders since the poorer families were not assessed:
Spice, Rd., 102 (Hundred of Calhelle [Calehill]).
 		Spice, William (I5157)
 
2466 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Roper, Joan (I5154)
 
2467 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, John (I5153)
 
2468 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Dorothy (I5152)
 
2469 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Elizabeth (I5151)
 
2470 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Elisabeth (I5150)
 
2471 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Anne (I5149)
 
2472 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, Margett (I5148)
 
2473 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.
 		Spice, John (I5147)
 
2474 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Construction of the Spice Family using Probate and Church Records:
A. Extraction of the Spice family in Thurnham (aka Thornham) Church records, which begin in 1562 to my cut-off of 1700 except for burials which I cut off at 1715; Parish Records (FHL film 1473738, it. 2), Bishop's Transcript (FHL film 1737095, it. 4), and Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1752238, it. 4). The Parish records cover the 1641-1661 gap in the other two records not sent in during the Civil War. The Archdeacon's Transcript starts in 1562 and is missing the following years: 1565-6, 1568-9, 1594-5, 1606-7, 1629-30, 1641-1660. The Bishop's Transcript starts 1611 and is missing 1613-14, 1621-2, 1626-8, 1640-61. The Parish record begins 1631 but has some large almost illegible sections which hinders extracting the Civil War gap. The transcription:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap.
-1583, Willim Spice as churchwarden
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap., bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap.
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap.
-8 Sep 1592, Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur.
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spise, bap.
-22 Feb 1603/4, John Spice, bur.
-25 Oct 1607, Izard Spice an old widow, bur.
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap.
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap.
-21 May 1622, Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar.
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. [Note: LDS IGI extracted this wrong as a burial; actual record shows baptism.]
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap.
-27 Apr 1633, William Spice, bachelor, 48, bur.
-28 Nov 1637, John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar.
-5 Oct 1645, John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns.
-24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible]
-17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.
-26 Feb 1650, William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar.
-15 Oct 1650, John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar.
-23 Oct 1650, Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur.
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap.
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap.
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap.
-5 Sep 1662, John Spice an old man, bur.
-6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.
-3 Jun 1674, Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur.
-26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.
-28 Jun 1682, Will Spice, bur.
-6 Nov 1683, George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar.
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-23 Mar 1691/2, John Spice, an ancient man, bur.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-3 Jan 1702/3, John Spice bur.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-21 Jun 1706, Mary Spice widow, bur.
-28 Oct 1710, Mary Spice widow, bur.
B. Probates:
1592: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice/Spise, William, Thurnham, 1592, 1592, PRC/17/49/178, PRC/16/100 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1592, A-Z > image 329 of 468; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RPM-QCN?mode=g&i=328&owc=M68J-WTL%3A250713701%3Fcc%3D1949814&wc=M68K-GZ9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251242601%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-Wyllyam Spise of Thorneham.
-Will dated 14 Sep 1592.
-To be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Isodore my wife
-Daughter Joan to receive a legacy. [IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place.]
-Godson [grandson] Willm Spice to receive legacy. [The son of his son John.]
-Godson [grandson] Thomas Scovne [Scoones] to receive legacy. [Son of his dau. Joan.]
-Son John Spice named as executor and to receive property in Thurnham as well as a place called Christmill in Thornham. Legacies to Isodore and Joan from this property.
-Witnesses: Anthony Braston and John Crompe
-Proved 21 Oct 1592.
1604: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1603, 1604, PRC/17/53/121, PRC/16/125 S/6
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1604, A-Z > image 239 of 294; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGV-RNC?mode=g&i=238&wc=M68K-PWG%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251260001%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spice of Thornham, Yeoman, to be buried in the Thornham churchyard.
-Will dated 15 Feb 1603[/4]
-Daughter Elizabeth, legacy to be upon marriage or reaching age 21.
-Wife Joane Spice named as executor. Joane to receive all property until her death at which time everything to be equally divided between all the sons.
-Izard Spice my mother to have the use of a room in the present dwelling of Richard Winter.
-Sons Willm Spice, John Spice, Edward Spice, Arthur Spice, Richard Spice. All are under the age of 21.
-Overseers: Brother-in-law George Roper of Bearsted and Henry Coulter "thelder" yeoman of Thurnham. [George is his wife Joan Roper's brother.]
-Signed with the mark of X. Witnesses Tho. Gaye, Richard Winter, and Henry Coulter.
-Probated 29 Apr 1604
1607: IZARD SPICE, widow:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Izard widow, Thurnham, 1607, 1607, PRC/17/54/123, PRC/16/131 S/4
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1607, A-Z > image 301 of 367; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGM-D89?mode=g&i=300&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-P6D%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251267501%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Izard is shown as Isodore in her husband's will and as Izard in her son John's will.]
-Izard Spice widow of William Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 20 Oct 1607
-To be buried in the churchyard of Thornham.
-Appoints William Spice, the son of John Spice, as executor. [John is her son who predeceased her in 1604.]
-To Elizabeth Spice, the sister of the aforenamed William.
-To John Spice their brother
-To Edward Spice, Authuor Spice, and Richard Spice [Grandsons through John her son.]
-To Mary Scoones, the daughter of Edward Scoones [Edward is her son-in-law who married her daughter Jone who was deceased at this time.]
-To Thomas Scoones, John Scoones, and Edward Scoones [Children of the deceased Joan (Spice) Scoones.]
-To Edward Scoones their father [Son-in-law]
-To Sarah Winter and Goodwife Winter
-To Goodwife Gorham, wife of Arthur Gorham
-To my sister Bills [Note: No "Bills" found in Thurnham Church records for this period or earlier; but there is a John and Elizabeth Billes having children bap. starting in 1643.]
-To "my daughter Spice" [Not sure who this would be; the two known daughters, Agnes and Joan, are deceased by this time -- perhaps a daughter-in-law?]
-To my maid Annis
-To Alice the widow of one Newman of Maidstone
-To my maid Mare
-To widow Newman again
-To "her [widow Newman's] sister Judith"
-To "Jone another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To "Rebeccah Smith another sister" [of widow Newman]
-To An Bills, my sister's daughter
-To Jone Allen a widow & my goddaughter Nixmony?
-To my godson Steven Gorham
-To Goodman Winter
-More to "good: Gorham"
-Signed with a mark
-Witnesses: Richard Winter, John Apines?, John Crompe
-Will proved 6 Nov 1607
1675: RICHARD SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, Richard, Thurnham, 1664, 1675, PRC/17/73/410b, PRC/16/294 S/9
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1675, A-Z > image 299 of 358; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRG5-94G6?mode=g&i=298&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-12S%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251397901%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription: [Note: Richard in his will does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and from the church records we know his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc.]
-Richard Spice of Thornham
-Will dated 10 May 1664
-Wife Margaret to receive everything which also includes three messuages in Thornham. Upon her death, everything to go to "William Spice my kindsman of Boxle [Boxley] in the foresaid countie [Kent]" who shall pay from the same the following legacies to "my kindsman Christopher Spice of Boughton Cor. [Boughton Monchelsea?]," "Alce Joanes & Elizabeth Norington, the sisters of John Coulter of Loye," "Thomas Danier of Ottam [Otham]," my kindsman William Spice of Hallingbourne [Hollingbourne]" who is to receive a house in Thurnham currently occupied by Edward Gorham, "my kindsman John Spice of Bersted [Bearsted]" who is to receive a house and property in Bearsted. [Unsure of how the three Spice kinsmen -- William, Christopher, and William -- are related; possibly the latter William could be his brother who had a son Richard in Hollingbourne.]
-"My aforesaid kindsman William Spice of Boxle [Boxley]" appointed as executor.
-20 shillings a piece to be given to all the children of "John Chappiman" of Thurnham.
-5 pounds to "my kindswoman the wife of Dance" [His niece Anne, wife of Robert Dancy, and daughter of his brother John.]
-5 pounds to "my godson the son of John Larken." [Son of his brother John's daughter Margaret who married John L
-Signed by Richard Spice
-Witnesses: John Tritton juner, Deborah Miller, Stephen Miller.
-Will proved 13 Nov 1675
1682: WILLIAM SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, William, Thurnham, 1682, 1682, PRC/17/76/80, PRC/16/308 S/15
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1682, A-Z > image 297 of 349; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRGR-4DG?i=296&wc=M68K-1Z9%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251402301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-William Spice of Thurnham
-Will dated 13 Jun 1682
-Wife Elizabeth to receive a parcel of land called "the Tyle Kilne ffield" in Thurnham. Other parcells as well including the workmen and servants. Upon her death, these to go to his son John Spice.
-Sons Richard and John Spice named as coexecutors; they to receive the messuage and dwelling William now lives in.
-Daughter Margaret now the wife of Edward Chambers to receive his messuage, tenements, and property in Hollingbourne.
-Daughters Lydea Spice, Elizabeth Spice, Mary Spice
-Signed with the mark "W"
-Witnesses: Daniel Cloke, Elizabeth Yorke, Chr. Fullagers
-Will proved 2 Aug 1682
1692: JOHN SPICE:
Canterbury Cathedral Probate Index: Will - Spice, John, Thurnham, 1689, 1692, PRC/17/78/107, PRC/16/326 S/10
Source: "England, Kent, Wills and Probate, 1440-1881," images, FamilySearch accessed 31 January 2016, Kent, Archdeaconry of Canterbury > Wills > 1692, A-Z > image 272 of 299; County Record Office, Maidstone.
Link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RGR-368?i=271&owc=collection%2F1949814%2Fwaypoints&wc=M68K-BNL%3A250713701%2C250719201%2C251409301%3Fcc%3D1949814&cc=1949814
Transcription:
-John Spies of Thornham
-Will dated 10 Feb 1689
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spice, son of my brother William Spice of the Parish of Hollingbourne" his barns and four parcels of ten acres. If Richard Spice dies without heirs, the property to go to Richard's brother John Spice. They are obligated to make payments to the testator's widow for her life.
-Bequeaths to "my kinsman Richard Spies son of John Spies" a house in the parish of Bearsted. [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to "my sister Ann the wife of Robertt Dancey" four pounds.
-Bequeaths to "my brothers and sisters children" 3 pounds whom he names:
-Ann the wife of William Hawes [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth the wife of William Wedd [Unknown relationship.]
-Elisabeth and Ann Dancey [Daughters of his sister Anne.]
-Children of William Chapman: Auther and Robertt Chapman; "Ann, Sarah, Margritt there maiden sirnames Chapman." [William Chapman is a clerical error for John Chapman who married Elizabeth Spice and named his children in his 1671 probate as Arthur, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Ann, Sarah, and Margaret -- his wife is not mentioned in the probate.]
-Children of John Larkin of "dutling" [Detling?]: John, Elisabeth, and Susanna. [Children of his sister Margaret.]
-Children of Elisabeth the wife of John Gilbert [Unknown relationship.]
-Bequeaths to Alce Touner widow 10 shillings
-Appoints Richard Spice of Hollingbourne, son of his brother William, as executor.
C. Family Groupings based on extracted church records and Kent probates:
A. Family Group: William and Izard/Isodore Spice as parents. Willim Spice as churchwarden in 1583. Wyllyam Spise, housholder, bur. 8 Sep 1592; probate dated 1592. Izard Spice an old widow, bur. 25 Oct 1607:
-1 Jan 1564/5, Agnes d of Wyllim Spice, bap. [Not named in father's 1592 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Joan. [Named in father's will. IGI: Joan married Edward Scoones at Chart Sutton 5 Nov 1584 and was buried 26 Sep 1598 at the same place; Will of Edward Scoone at Chart Sutton, 1615, PRC/17/61/429 (no Spice family mentioned). Scoones children mentioned in both grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. (Named in father's will; John is father of Group B.)
B. Family Group: John Spice and Joan Roper as parents [John is a son in Group A]. John Spice, bur. 22 Feb 1603/4. [John has probate dated 1604 in which he names his wife Joane and other family. IGI: John Spice and Joan Roper found in Bearsted 8 Nov 1579.]:
-6 Oct 1583 [in Bearsted per B. Church record]; bur. 27 Apr 1633, "Wm. Spice a bachelor of about 48 years of age dyed at Bersted [Bearsted] and was buried there besides his ancestors." [This calculates to a birth of abt 1585. There is one Spice christening in the Bearsted Kent Family Society CD transcriptions (only baptisms starting in 1563 on the CD): 6 Oct 1583 -- Willm s of John Spyce. This places him then as a son in this family. Mentioned in grandparents William and Izard Spices' 1592 and 1607 wills.]
-20 Jun 1585, Margareta d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 1 Jul 1585
-18 Sep 1586, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-9 Feb 1588/9, John s of John Spice, bap. [father of Group C.] [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-25 Apr 1591, Edwarde s of John Spice, bap. (24 May 1646, Edward Spice, brother of Richard, bur. [a lot more to this entry but illegible, but it seems similar to Wm. Spice his brother above].) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-12 Aug 1593, Arthur s of John Spice, bap. (17 Jan 1648/9, Arthur Spice an ancient bachelor, bur.) [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Richard. (Richard Spice and Margarite Amies, mar. 21 May 1622. Margarett wife of Richard Spice, bur. 3 Jun 1674.) [Notes: (1) The above Edward's burial record notes Edward as the brother of Richard. (2) Richard in his will proved 1675 does not mention any siblings or children; apparently, he had no children and the church records show that all of his siblings pre-deceased him -- only his wife survived him. The kinsmen and godson in his will are apparently nephews, nieces, etc. (3) Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]
C. Family Group: John Spice [son in Group B] bap. 9 Feb 1588/9; John Spice "an old man," bur. 5 Sep 1662; Elizabeth wife of John Spice, bur. 23 Oct 1650. [Mentioned in grandmother Izard's 1607 will.]:
-24 Jul 1614, Douratye, d. of John Spice, bap.
-[Unknown unrecorded date], William Spice. (Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682.) [Father of Group D.] [Estimated birth date of abt. 1616, but no record found in Thurnham. His brother John's 1692 will identifies him William as his brother and also names both of William's living sons Richard and John.]
-25 May 1618, Elizabeth d of John Spice, bap. (John Chapman and Elizabeth Spice, mar. 28 Nov 1637. Probably John Chapman, s of Roberte, bap 12 Mar 1608/9.)
-16 Sep 1621, John s of John Spice, bap. (John Spice and Mary Eagleton, mar. by banns, 5 Oct 1645; John Spice, an ancient man, bur. 23 Mar 1691/2.) [John has probate dated 1692.]
-26 Sep 1623, "A young infant of John Spices dying unbaptized was buried."
-23 Oct 1625, Anne d of John Spice, bap.; bur. 25 Oct 1625 Ann dau. of John Spice.
-11 Mar 1626/7, Margret, d of John Spice, bap. (John Larkin and Margaret Spice, mar. 15 Oct 1650. Probably John Larkin, s of Henry, bap. 15 Apr 1627.)
-10 Jan 1629/30, Anne, d of John Spice, bap. (6 Nov 1662, Robert Dansy [Dancy] and Anne Spice, mar. by banns.) [Mentioned in her uncle Richard Spice's 1664 will; her daughters Elizabeth and Anne mentioned in her uncle John Spice's 1692 probate.]
D. Family Group: William Spice and Elizabeth Watts botp, mar. 26 Feb 1650. Will Spice bur. 28 Jun 1682. [William has a probate dated 1682. The probate of John Spice of 1692 proves that they are brothers thereby making William a son in Group C as is John.]:
-11 May 1651, Richard s of William and Elizabeth Spice, bap. [His uncle John's 1692 will indicates Richard is residing in Hollingbourne.]
-26 Dec 1653, Margaret d of William Spice, bap. (26 Mar 1676, Edward Chambers and Margaret Spice, mar.)
-23 Oct 1655, William s of William Spice, bap. [Not named in his father's 1682 probate.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], John. [Named in his father's 1682 will; probable father of Group E.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Elizabeth. [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
-[Unknown unrecorded date], Lydia. (George Johnson and Lydia Spice, mar. 6 Nov 1683) [Named in his father's 1682 will.]
E. Family Group: John and Mary ___ Spice (John Spice bur. 3 Jan 1702/3. Mary Spice widow, bur. 21 Jun 1706 or 28 Oct 1710 -- two "widow Mary" Spices bur. but not sure which date is for this one and who the other widow Mary may be.) [Probable son in Group D.]:
-27 Jan 1688/9, Mary, d of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-31 Dec 1690, William, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-19 Mar 1692/3, John, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-29 Dec 1695, Edmund, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.
-7 Jan 1702/3, Nicholas, s of John and Mary Spice, bap.; bur. 3 Jun 1704, Nicholas s of Mary Spice.

MARRIAGE:
1. Findmypast's "Kent, East Kent marriage index 1538-1754": Robert Dansy and Ann Spice, marr. 6 Nov 1662 at Thurnham, both of Thurnham.

BURIAL:
1. Hollingbourne Parish Records (FHL 1736836): 4 Jan 1692/3 -- Anne the wife of Robert Dancy, bur.
 		Spice, Anne (I834)
 
2475 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I1936)
 
2476 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Copy of letter on file from Frank Smith, Supervisor, Research Department of the Genealogical Society (Family History Library) in Salt Lake City, dated May 23, 1966, to Mrs. Leo Goates, 9923 Knoll Crest Drive, Dallas, Texas, 95238, from FHL film 0446460 Patron Research Files for Marie Sheranian (mother to Mrs. Leo Goates). This letter was one in a series from over four years when the FHL did private research for a fee. This individual had work done on her Brown, Adair, and Richey lines. In reviewing all the correspondence, they were just discovering things for which we now have better and more thorough documentation as found in my database. As for the Adairs, there was a lot of confusion concerning the various Joseph Adairs with the FHL trying to link Thomas Adair's father Joseph as a son to the original Joseph Adair, Sr., which we now know to be incorrect. Much of this incorrect linking has been passed down through LDS generations and continues to incorrectly cloud modern genealogies. They also had no success in finding siblings for Thomas Adair. They acknowledge problems with the James B. Adair's book "Adair History and Genealogy" concerning the early Adairs. On the other hand there was good research done on the parentage of William Richey who married Mary Ann Adair. His parents and grandparents appear in Laurens Co., South Carolina as well as nearby Bush River Baptist Church at which John Mangum the patriot was also associated. This would place the Richey family in probable contact with the Adairs before Alabama and Mississippi. There are two letters of interest. The letter of 18 Jan 1962 notes that the FHL's agent in Alabama made a search of Pickens County, Alabama records for the Richey line; however, she reported the these records were destroyed by fire in 1876 and since that time there have been other fires destroying further records so that there is not a great deal that can be done. The other letter dated 4 Dec 1961 I quote partially below as follows:
The letter starts off with an acknowledgement that the early work of FHL researchers for the Richey family was sloppy and had to be thrown out. They then state: "Sufficient importance was not attached to the early Temple Baptisms performed by William Richey and others of his family and friends. In brief, he gave his parents as Robert Richey and Rebecca Belton, and his grandparents as John Richey and wife and William Belton and wife. He also performed the baptisms for Uncles Adam Gordon, David McClure and some of their families, and for uncles John, Jesse, and William Belton. His father Robert is stated to have been born on the ocean while his parents were enroute from Ireland to America about 1770-75...
"Using the early Temple baptisms as a basis, we at this time begun the work anew in Laurens Co., S.C. where William stated he was born...
"A careful study of censuses was made from 1790 on. In 1790 in Laurens Co. there was a John Richey, seemingly a young man with children all under 16, and Robert Richey and wife with no children, so probably he was newly married. By 1800 Robert has three children, all under age ten, John has an increased family, and was himself over age 45, and a Samuel Richey is newly married. By 1810 these three are still there and another John in addition. By 1820 Robert is gone, and there remains a young John with one child under ten, Samuel, a William (not your ancestor), and a young widow Margaret over 45, living by herself. We can place all of these in proper perspective, as we will later show. It is evident there were Roberts and Johns in other counties, but we have concerned our search mostly with Laurens Co. We know from other material that William Belton was in South Carolina and alive at the time of the 1790 census, but he is not listed. Why, we do not know, unless his enumeration was somehow missed but he and two sons John and Jesse are all heads of families in Newberry Co. by 1800.
"It is known of course that your William went to Pickens Co., Ala., and thence on to Noxubee Co., Miss. We have no records of these localities in our library, except census records, so will need to have some searches made by correspondence. However, not finding any of Robert's family in Laurens Co. after 1820, we checked the 1830 census of Pickens Co., Ala., where we found Robert, age 50-60 and his wife the same age, one daughter 15-20 and one male child under 5, perhaps a grandson. Also noted was William and his family and a John.
"On the chance that some of them might have remained in this county until 1850, which census would give names, ages and birthplaces, we checked this, but found nothing. In Noxubee Co., Miss. in 1850, however, we found some of them again, but unfortunately Robert and Rebecca seem to be deceased before this time, so we could get no enlightenment as to his birthplace. Their sons David, age 45, James, age 33 and families were there, and there is a George Richey, age 40, whom we think is probably another son. We watched also for the married daughters but there seemed to be none of them unless it was Nancy, and her husband Rodison Williams. One J.R. Williams 28, born S. Car., and wife Nancy age 26, born S.C. are listed, and also a Nancy Williams widow, age 50, born S.C. is listed, but whether either one is the one we need, we do not yet know.
"The birth of Robert can be approximated as between 1770-80, but we know he was married by 1790, so it is likely closer to 1770. There is no John Richey in Laurens Co. in 1790 old enough to be his father, but before considering Johns in other counties, we decided to finish the records in Laurens Co. We were very pleased to find the will of John Richey in 1776, which had not previously been reported in former searches. The names of some of his children were not readable, as they had been printed at the edge of the page which was bound into the book, but they are probably distinguishable in the original copy, so we will have a check made of that, but in any case the deeds and other material give us the complete family.
"John names his daughter Mary, giving her $1.00, which suggests she was married or had otherwise received some consideration; his daughter Eleanor; a son whose name was unreadable, but whom we are sure was John Jr.; and his son Robert, who was at that time under age. Proof that this John is your ancestor is adequate. He was deceased by 1776, hence does not show up in the 1790 census, but his two sons John and Robert do. In 1788 Adam Gordon deeds some land "which had originally been granted to Mary Richey, the said Gordon's wife" in 1775. This substantiates the early baptisms and places Adam Gordon as an uncle of William Richey. In 1799 David McClure and Eleanor his wife deed to Robert Richey, part of a tract of land granted to John Williams in 1774 and later conveyed to Margaret Richey by Alexander McNary, and by her conveyed to said Eleanor Richey, now Eleanor McClure. This further substantiates the family record and places David McClure as an uncle of William Richey.
"The deed from Margaret Richey, widow to Eleanor is dated 1789, so Eleanor married between 1789 and 1799. We could not locate the deed from Alexander McNary to Margaret Richey, widow in 1785, but the county deeds begin in 1785, and it is likely some of the early ones are not recorded in the county. Margaret the widow seems to be still living at the 1820 census, but this is not she, but the widow of John Jr. who died in 1819.
"Now, inasmuch as a number of land grants are mentioned in the deeds reexamined all grants for South Carolina, and the land plats in order to get an exact location. Originally S.C. had three districts, Craven, Berkley and Granville [?? last district blurred in letter copy]. No records were kept in these districts and their boundaries were rather undefined. Carteret was added and later changed to Granville. By 1768 new districts were formed and named, including the 96 district, but still no records were kept except at Charleston, which was the seat of government. From this 96 district were formed the counties of Abbeville, Edgefield, Newberry, Pendleton, Greenville, Laurens, Spartanburg, and Union. Deeds, etc. begin to be kept in the counties in 1785. We make this explanation in order that you will understand the land grants.
"The Richeys in Laurens Co. owned land on Raeburn's Creek on Reedy River. This was encompassed in what was early known as Craven Co., but they seem to have owned some land in some of the other districts also. Notice in the land plats that on the 11th of Dec. 1772 land was measured out on Raeburn's Creek to John Richey, Sr., to Eleanor Richey, to John Richey Jr. and to Mary Richey, all the children of John and Margaret, except Robert, who would have been only a year or two old. There was a James and a John received grants in Granville Co. in 1772 also, but they no doubt relate to some of the other families.
"It is difficult to ascertain with accuracy the ages of the children of John and Margaret. It would seem quite unusual for them to have received land grants at a time when they were under age, especially the girls. Mary was not married in 1772, but may have been by 1776, and we know she was by 1788, so her birth may be between 1756 and 1770. Elinor was not married before 1789 but was by 1799, so her birth would be between 1765-80. John Jr. would be the oldest as he had four young children by 1790, so he could be born 1750-56. If the girls were of age when they got the land grants, they would be somewhat older than usual when they married.
"John Jr. made his will in 1819, mentioning a wife Margaret and children John, Samuel, William and Jane Harris. This family remained in S.C. and Adam Gordon and David McClure did also, at least for some years, but we found no wills or probates for them. We followed John Mahffey to some extent as he is mentioned in the will of John Richey, Sr. and we thought he may have been a relative, but we could prove nothing.
"Now, as to the ancestry of John Richey, we have no information, except that one John emigrated from Ireland in 1773. Scotch-Irish emigration was common, and it is our opinion that John arrived in America only shortly before the date of his land grants and that it is entirely possible that his son Robert was born on the voyage. Whether or not he is connected with the Richeys in Abbeville Co. we are not sure, as we have not as yet gone into that branch thoroughly, but if they came in from Penn., descending from Richeys who were in America much earlier, there is a great doubt that they would be related. The land grants show no Richeys earlier than your John, except that John and James above mentioned who got grants in Granville in the same year.
"One John seems to have had a Revolutionary pension, but your ancestor was dead by 1776, so it is not he, though it could be his son. He will obtain a copy of that record, a check of the will of John 1776, and a search of Pickins Co., Ala, and of Noxubee Co., Miss. for further information.
"BELTON LINE: William Belton got a grant of land in 1771 on Bush Creek in Craven Co., which must have encompassed what later became Newberry Co. The family were Baptists, belonging to the Bush River Baptist church [Kerry's note: same church as the John Mangum family.]. We are not sure who his wife was, but she may have been the Susanna who dies there in 1809. Note that William was still "of Newberry Co." in 1820, but that he or his son William died intestate (?) in Laurens Co. in 1830. Various mention is given of his son Jesse who had a wife Elisabeth, his son John who had a wife Charity, and some other females are listed in the church records, but we have been unable to compile a good record on them. Whether William was the emigrant we do not know, there are Beltons earlier in S.C. than he. We have read all Belton wills from every county, but found none naming a son William…"

2. Appears that most records including missionary information may be with the Oklahoma Historical Society Archives in Oklahoma City and are known as pre-removal and missionary records. See . Contacted the Oklahoma Historical Society 7 May 2003 which is a major repository of Cherokee Indian records. They report some references to Nancy Ridge's father and her attendance at some schools. No further mention of her nor anything on William Richey.

3. According to a posting on Genforum.com by Deborah Moorefield, 21 Mar 2003, #926, he may have received Cherokee reservation #143 on 14 Oct 1817 near the Tennessee river in right of his child by Nancy Ridge.

4. Censuses:
1790 US: The following Mangum, Richey, Goggins, and Murdock names occur in Newberry Counties, South Carolina - none with that surname appear in neighboring Laurens county where the Adairs were located:
P. 57, William Murdock: males over 16: 1; males under 16: 1; females: 1; slaves: 0.
P. 74, Ambrose Hudgins, 1-1-5-0 (Possible father to Austen Hudgens who married Elizabeth Mangum? On the previous p. 72 [73 is blank], there is a Sam'l Hugghen who could also be a possibility but probably not. In neighboring Laurens Co., there are also two other "Ambros" Hudgins: pp. 433 and 443 with most Adairs in that county occurring on pp. 440-442. There are various Huggins, Hudgens, Hudggens, Huggans in South Carolina - but with none in Newberry or Laurens except as noted above.)
P. 74, James Goggin, 2-4-5-2. Separated from Ambrose above by 10 names.
P. 74, Geo. Goggens, 2-3-2-0. (Separated from James above by 26 names.)
P. 74, William Goggins, 1-3-3-0. (Separated from Geo. above by 6 names.)
P. 76 (note page 75 is blank), John Mangum, 1-0-1-0. (Separated from William Goggins above by 58 names.)
P. 76 (note page 75 is blank), Wm. Goggins, 2-2-1-0. (Separated from John Mangum above by 0 names.)
P. 76 (note page 75 is blank), Wm. Mangum, 2-2-2-0. (Separated from Wm. Goggins by 2 names.)
P. 76 (note page 75 is blank), Robert Richey, 1-1-6-1. (Separated from Wm. Mangum by 39 names.)

1850 US: Utah County, Utah Territory, p. 8, family 68:
William Richie, 56, turner, SC.
Margaret, 48, midwife, SC.
James, 28, cotton gin, AL.
John, 16, cotton gin, AL.
William, 10, MS.
Eliza, 14, MS.
Rebecca, 85, SC.

5. The following site shows all the children of Major Ridge specifically listing Nancy married to William "Ritchey" : "An Indian boy was born between 1765 and 1771 in the Cherokee village of Hiwassee, Tennessee. His parents died when he was young. He had a brother named David Oo-Watie, which means "The Ancient One." Their father's name was Oganotota. Ridge had a sister and three other brothers. No one knows the names of the other brothers or sister but one of the brothers may have been Soodohlee (Sudale). However, they died young. Ah-Tah-Kon-Stis-Kee (other spellings include Ah-Tah-Con-Sti-Sky and Ah-Tah-Cun-Sti-Ske), last hereditary chief of the Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokees, Choctaws, Chickasaws, Creeks, and Seminoles), adopted this young Indian. The young Indian was named Ca-Nun-Tah-Cla-Kee (other spellings include Ca-Nun-Ta-Cla-Gee and Ka-Nun-Tah-Kla-Gee), meaning "The Lion Who Walks On The Mountain Top." The white man shortened his name to Ridge. Andrew Jackson gave him the name Major because he led a force of Cherokees in the Battle of the Horseshoe against the Creeks. Cherokees had previously used no surnames. Other Indians called him Nung-Noh-Tah-Hee, meaning "He Who Slays The Enemy In His Path." Major Ridge was a friend of Congressman Sam Houston of Tennessee. Major Ridge's portrait is in the archives at the Smithsonian (Museum of American History-Major Ridge geo. region 3008 4050 302 ID 3008 210 7159) along with John Ridge's.
Major Ridge married Ah-Tah-Kon-Stis-Kee's daughter Sehoya. Her christened name was Susannah "Susie" Catherine Wickett (1775 - 9/1849). Ah-Tah-Kon-Stis-Kee was Major Ridge's foster father and father-in-law. They married about 1792. Major Ridge and Susie's children were:
Nancy Ridge - died age 16 during childbirth ca. 1818 - married William Ritchey
John Ridge (Skah-tle-loh-skee) - born 1802 Rome, GA - died 6/22/1839 - married Sarah Bird Northrup.
Unknown baby - died at birth
Walter S. Ridge "Watty" - born 1806 - died 1851 - married Elizabeth. Watty was "slow and weak in the mind."
Sarah Ridge - born 1814, near present Rome, Georgia. Sarah's Indian name was "Sollee," pronounced "Sallie."

6. Contacted Drs. Rowena McClintock and Theda Perdue 24 May 2003 via email. They were recommended by the Vann House as editors of the Spring Place School Diaries soon to be published. Both are experts and authors of several books on Cherokees in the Southeast and Cherokee women in particular. No information was given by them to me and referred me to their book on the diaries soon to be published.

7. "The South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research," vol. 6, p. 27: "Laurens County Estate Book A-1," pp. 13-14:
"A list of the appraisement of the Estate of Robert Richey Decd… [no total given] Sam'l Wharton, Wm Mitchell, Lewis Banton. List of the sale. Purchaser: Wm Goodman, 4 Aug 1789. Samuel Wharton, Lewis Banton, Paul Phindley."

8. From a website of Richey descendants . The following was written by Preston Richey July 1988. In correspondence from him in 2014, he notes there are a few errors in it.
"John Richey: "On August 25, 1772, a small sailing ship called the James and Mary sailed from Larne, Ireland with John Richey, his pregnant wife Margaret, and at least three of his children. The ship arrived in Charleston, South Carolina on October 16th or 18th of the same year and was put in quarantine because there was smallpox on board. The trip lasted seven and a half weeks which was average for the time. Quarantine was initially imposed for 3 weeks, but ultimately stretched out to 50 days because of the severity of the smallpox epidemic on board. During quarantine, the ship was tied up at Sullivan's Island in Charleston Harbor. The immigrants on the James and Mary were part of a 5 ship contingent of immigrants led by the Reverend William Martin, a Covenanter Presbyterian minister from Kellswater, Ireland. The majority of the immigrants were Presbyterians from the Ballmoney area but not necessarily all of them. The immigrants had hoped to receive a bounty offered to poor protestant immigrants in South Carolina. This bounty would have given them not only land, but money to buy tools and to defray the cost of transportation from Ireland. Unfortunately the bounty had expired in 1768. The land was still free, but it cost about 5 Pounds for all the fees associated with surveying the land and preparing the various warrants. 5 Pounds in those days was roughly equivalent to 6 months wages for an Irish laborer. After the Governor of the colony explained to the immigrants that there was no bounty available and that they had not reason to expect any assistance from the government, he went on to observe that they were very poor, and ask the various officers to swear out warrants at no charge and risk getting reimbursed later by the public. This was agreed to for all those who had less then 5 Pounds. According to these terms, John Richey received 250 acres of land on the Reynolds branch of Reyburns Creek, his son John Jr. received 100 acres on the south fork of Reyburns Creek, his daughter Mary received 100 acres on the Jones branch of Reyburns Creek, and his daughter Eleanor received 100 acres on the Daniels branch of Reyburns Creek. All these locations are within Laurens County, South Carolina. John Richey's will is recorded in 1776. This will is a critical document since it lists his family in such a way that it can be proved he is the grandfather of William Richey who is the grandfather of Joseph Benjamin Richey. The will also proves that this same John Richey is the man who came over from Lame, Ireland on the James and Mary. Establishing the tie across the ocean is one of the most difficult of genealogical tasks. Knowing the date and port of embarkation will now make this task much easier. The above paragraphs sum up most of what we know about John Richey. However, it is fun and perhaps instructive to try and flesh out these bare facts with some conjecture. To begin with, it seems likely that John Richey was a Presbyterian from the Ballymoney area of Ireland since that description fits the majority of the people that came over on the 5 ships. Other religious affiliations are possible of course. From James Richey's journal, we know that William Richey, grandson of John, was a Baptist. This would indicate that either John Richey was a Baptist, or else the family converted at some point. The likely point of conversion is John Richey's son Robert. He married Rebecca Belton whose father was a Baptist preacher. Since Robert's father died when he was no more than 4 years old, and he married young (maybe as young as 18 according to the census) it would not be surprising if he was strongly influenced by his father-in-law. Another more remote possibility is that John Richey was a Quaker. There is some indication that the Adairs were Quakers, and family tradition has it that the Richeys, Mangums, and Adairs were closely associated together as families even before they emigrated. The way they linked up after they all arrived in this country seems to support this tradition. If John was a Presbyterian, then it is likely that his family originated in Scotland. During the English Reformation, Christians in the British Isles split primarily on the question of authority. The Roman Catholics acknowledged the Bishop of Rome, or Pope as having authority over all Christians. The Episcopalians felt that authority should be vested in all of the Bishops on the island. This group was called the Episcopy. During the middle ages, the difficulty in communicating with Rome of a necessity made the Episcopy quite independent. Later, during the Renaissance when the Pope tried to exert more influence over the Episcopy, the Bishops resented it. The English king had long had the power to appoint Bishops, and thus control the Episcopy. Naturally, the kings supported the Episcopalians, and ultimately Episcopalianism became the official Church of England or Anglican Church. Puritans initially were all those who felt that the modest reforms and compromises made by Queen Elizabeth when she adopted the Anglican liturgy were insufficient. This argument led to the English Civil War, and Oliver Cromwell. Puritans under Cromwell were very austere. They not only melted down most of the silver chalices, candelabra, and other precious things owned by the churches; but they also went so far as to convert the old St. Paul's Cathedral into a barracks and stable for Cromwell's cavalry. This was too much for most people and led to the restoration of the monarchy and the supremacy of the Anglican Church. The Quakers are a remnant of the Puritans. Presbyterianism began as one wing of the Puritans. They felt that each congregation should be able to elect Elders or Presbyters. These Presbyters would meet in a group called a synod that would have the ultimate authority over the church. Presbyterianism was originally in the mainstream of the English reformation, but ultimately, it became most closely associated with Scotland. The Presbyterians in Scotland were persecuted throughout the 1600's as England swung from Protestant to Catholic to Puritan to Catholic to Protestant rulers. This led to continual emigration to Ireland, particularly Ulster where land was cheap. The Presbyterians in Ireland had no strong ties with the country, thus they were ripe for further emigration when times turned bad. The economy of Northern Ireland was based primarily on farming and the linen industry. During the period when John Richey emigrated, the linen industry was flat on its back and farming was unprofitable because of the high rents charged by the absentee English landlords. The Scotch-Irish in America as a group had no love for the English. Some writers have gone so far as to say that their willingness to fight was a decisive factor in the success of the American Revolution. John Mangum (Joseph Benjamin Richey's great-grandfather) served with General Morgan who defeated the British in the decisive battles of Kings Mountain and Cowpens. It also appears from the pension records that John Richey Jr. served with the American revolutionary army. The voyage from Ireland to England was no picnic. The ships were packed so heavily with people that it was not even practical to carry any additional food. When adverse weather slowed the transit time, people died of starvation, and in some instances were reduced to cannibalism. On the ships, emigrants were berthed in the area between decks. In the case of the James and Mary, this area was probably about 4 feet high, and filled with 3 tiers of berths each no more than 18 inches wide by perhaps 5 feet long. Double occupancy of these berths was not uncommon. Deaths on these transatlantic voyages were most common among the children. Five children on the James and Mary died during the voyage that brought John Richey to South Carolina. On one ship that sailed in 1774, only one in fifty children under age four survived the passage, and of the seven women who were delivered during the voyage, six died as did all seven babies. John Richey must certainly have worried about taking his wife and unborn child into such peril. Initially, the James and Mary was scheduled to sail on April 15th. This would have allowed ample time to make the crossing before the baby was born. Unfortunately, the ship was delayed numerous times and didn't actually sail until some 19 weeks later. I can imagine that John must have sold out and moved his family and few belongings to port long before the ship actually sailed. Then he had to watch his meagre savings shrink each day that he had to support himself and his family while all the time watching his wife grow closer to her delivery date. There is a large gap in age between Robert Richey who was born on the Atlantic Ocean, and his next older sister. It may be that there were children in this gap that died during the passage. Another explanation for this gap might be that Margaret was John's second wife."
Robert Richey: "I know very little historical detail of Robert Richey's life, even though the genealogical facts are fairly complete. He was born at sea, married Rebecca Belton, and they had 10 children all while living in Laurens County, South Carolina. He died in Georgia at the age of about 62. In the process of digging out all the genealogical information, a lot of historical information should have come to light. Some of the best work in this area was done by Naomi Harker for Marie Sheranian. Naomi Harker was a researcher for the Genealogical Society of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I spent one whole day in Salt Lake going over all the research files for the work that Naomi Harker and other researchers had done for the various Sheranian lines. Unfortunately, the key file that contained all the Richey work apparently was sent back to the Sheranians without being microfilmed. I'm confident that with persistence this information could be tracked down, but I have not done it yet. Robert Richey died before his son and grandson were converted to the LDS religion, but his wife Rebecca survived him, joined the Church, gathered with the Saints, and ultimately died crossing the plains."
William Richey: "My father, Homer Prather Richey, worked extensively with the genealogy of his ancestors and wrote the following piece about William Richey. Sunday afternoon. March 8. 1981... my mind turned to thoughts of my grandfather, William Richey, and the trip he took at about the same time of year in 1879, from Manti to St. George. He had received word that his oldest son, James, known to the family as Jim, was about to leave for Arizona with a goodly number of his grandchildren. He was then past 83, and the only way he had to get to Washington County was to walk... I tried to picture that old man with a small bedroll on his back, some jerky and parched corn and a rifle with which to procure some fresh meat. My mind drifted back to 1844 in Pickens County, Alabama, where at the age of 48 he had built up a good business of building cotton gins and cotton presses, besides operating a large farm. His two oldest boys, James and Benjamin, had learned the business so well that he could now let them go out and fulfill the contracts he had made for these machines while he ran the farm. It was during this year that his oldest boy, Jim, had come home with a strange tale of a new religion. Jim was so enthusiastic about it that he got them all up in the middle of the night and bore testimony of its truthfulness until morning, after which he had them all baptized. It was from this time on that Jim's activities were the center of their lives. Jim almost immediately took off for Nauvoo, Illinois, to verify for himself the stories about the Prophet Joseph Smith. He returned more convinced than ever and nothing would do but that they all join the Saints in Nauvoo. They had all moved to Nauvoo in 1846. To make a complete move at age 50 was quite an undertaking with a large family... Little is known about the Nauvoo period of his life except that he and his beloved Margaret went through the temple there. In 1847 his son Jim came to him again to tell him he was following the Saints to the Rocky Mountains, but that he would return for them all as soon as he was located. As he saw that fine number one son, not yet 26, start out west with a 21-year old pregnant bride, I'm sure he wondered if he would ever see him again. They weathered the winter and true to his promise, Jim came back alone. His bride, Lucinda, staying in Salt Lake City with their new son Moroni, born April 16, 1848... The records show that William, Margaret, and seven of their ten children arrived in Salt Lake City in 1848. Two had previously died and their beloved Benjamin had gone to California with the Mormon Battalion; they never saw Benjamin again, he died and was buried in San Bernardino, California. Their stay in Salt Lake City was to be a short one as Brother Brigham sent the entire Richey family to Manti, San Pete County, in 1849. I let my mind go back to 1860 when he came back to Manti from a five-year mission to the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma territory. He had been sent there in 1855, three years after the death of Margaret... When he left for his mission Moroni was seven, Charlotte was three. Benjamin and Ruth had been born in Manti. Emily, Erastus, Eleanor, and Susannah were all born in Washington County. He would arrive to find Moroni still single and 31; Charlotte 28, married and expecting her first baby (later born on the Pariah River in the middle of the winter); Benjamin 24 and with a wife and having already lost little Laura Belle; Ruth 22 and married; and the rest of them single. Erastus had died as a child and the Patterson brothers would later follow the party to Arizona and marry Emily and Eleanor. Susannah would later marry Arthur Tenney. He saw them off and started his weary way back to Manti, hoping to get back and be buried by his beloved Margaret. On the way, lying out under the stars night after night, he undoubtedly thought back over his eventful life: His first marriage to the half-breed daughter of an Army major and the daughter of a Cherokee chief, of her death at the birth of their little girl who also died. Of his full life with Margaret and his loneliness since her death in 1852. Of his call to go back to the Cherokee nation as a missionary and to integrate with them, to learn their ways and to marry one of them. He did that and married Sarah Ridge, believed to be a sister of his first wife, Nancy Ridge. Of her subsequent death and the oil rights she had given him (never found). [Kerry's note: This appears highly erroneous and I don't accept a marriage to Sarah since her husbands and families are well established and she is in Texas at this time; see .] His subsequent marriage to Fanny Sunti and being sealed to her sister and three months later being sealed to the two Gorden sisters. In any event, he never got back to any of them- as he became ill and died in Parowan. I was happy to be able to stop there in 1939 and locate his grave, and later spearheaded a drive by the Richey family to have his grave appropriately marked..."
Further comment: "It should be possible to get more information on William Richey's mission to the Indians, Henry Eyring was on the mission with him and kept a journal that mentions William Richey. My father has seen this journal, but was unable to get a copy of it at the time. Ramona Richey Hall, a grandniece of Joseph Benjamin Richey, told me an interesting tradition that her family has concerning Benjamin Richey. As the story goes, he was released in San Diego along with other Mormon Battalion members. From there he made his way north and ended up at Sutter's Fort where he participated in the gold mining activities. He wrote a letter to his brother James and said he was coming home with enough money that they wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. His death in San Bernardino coupled with the fact that no money was found would strongly suggest foul play. Family traditions such as this are interesting, but shouldn't be relied on unless some corroborating information can be found."

BIOGRAPHY:
1. The book "History of Sanpete [Utah] County," 1898, pp. 176, 177: "Richey, William B., of Manti, son of William B. and Margaret A. (Adair), born in Knox, Yuba County, Miss., May 17, 1840. His father was a planter but not a believer in slavery. He joined the Mormon Church and moved to Nauvoo in 1846. He was engaged in missionary work many years in Mississippi and to the Cherokee nation in Florida, learned their language, married Nancy Ridge, the chief's daughter, and became a member of the nation. About a year later his wife died and he returned to Mississippi and married the mother of our subject. The family came to Utah in 1848 and in the fall of 1849 they came with the first company to Manti and passed through all the hardships and privations of those early days. The mother died in Manti in 1852 and the father in 1878 in Parowan. When William B. grew up he engaged in freighting to the mining camps in Nevada fifteen years. After the railroads were built he engaged in farming and now has a nice farm, also a comfortable stone residence, one of the first built after moving out of the fort. In both the Indian wars, he took his part. In 1862 he went to California, and in the employ of the Government shipped on board the Senator in charge of 200 mules. He started in the spring of 1863 with the California volunteers for Texas, but his sympathies being with the South, he was discharged at Fort Yuma and returned to Utah. He married August 26, 1868, Johanne, daughter of Rasmus and Magdalene Hougaard. Their children are Johanne J., John B., Benjamin and Margaret A., Mary M. and Emily deceased. Mr. Richey is a highly respected citizen, Democrat, member of Board of Supervisors and county jailer."
Kerry's notes on the above:
a. Yuba County does not exist and should be Noxubee County which is consistent with other Richey histories. I believe Florida in above citation is probably an error for north Georgia after reading the sources below on Nancy's father Major Ridge.
b. There is a Mormon temple marriage sealing recorded between Nancy Ridge and William Richey that occurred 24 Jan 1846 in the Nauvoo Temple with Margaret Adair acting as the proxy for the deceased Nancy. This confirms the marriage.
c. Nancy's father, Major Ridge, was very famous in the Cherokee history of Northern Georgia. He was a major chief, friends with Pres. Andrew Jackson, and is largely responsible for the events that let up to the infamous Cherokee Trail of Tears that led to the betrayal and death or him and his son John Ridge. His residence is now part of National Park Service. Click for more on him on this site Click on also "Chieftain's History" for his story. It is an amazing and fascinating read. Notice on this same site the map of Adairsville and that Major Ridge homesteaded in Adairsville, Georgia before relocating to Rome, Georgia - is this more than coincidence? It was Major Ridge who allowed missionary work to his people which evidently led to William Richey's presence there and eventual marriage to his daughter. For another website with a picture of Major, go to . This latter site does not name the oldest child but does mention the following: "Ridge turns his attention to his family as Vann and Hicks lead the fights in council. Susanna gives birth to a girl, then a boy, John. A third, another boy, dies at birth. Later additions to his family would include Walter or "Watty" and Sarah, who they called Sally." Later the same article says: "He leads the Cherokee during the Seminole War (1818) as well and his daughter dies during Child-birth." The LDS family search program has one entry showing Nancy and William marrying about 1817 and Nancy dying in 1818 in Georgia. This aligns well with the Sanpete history above where it says William married his Margaret Adair about a year later (10 Feb 1820). What is also interesting is that Nancy's brother John and Cousin Elias Boudinot both married white women, which was very controversial and inflammatory. On the other hand, a white man marrying a Cherokee woman was accepted.
d. This website has many excellent books on the events surrounding Major Ridge: Note especially the one entitled "Cherokee Cavaliers" which has over 200 pages of Ridge family correspondence. Also there appear to be hundreds of websites under Major Ridge or Chief Ridge.
e. Since William was there as a missionary long before the Mormon church was established, for whom was he working. Margaret's brother Samuel Jefferson Adair was also I believe a minister - same church?
f. The following site shows all the children of Major Ridge specifically listing Nancy married to William "Ritchey"

2. Cotton gin mechanic and farmer. Moved from Pickens co., Alabama to Berculee Co., Mississippi about 1831. May have also been Noxubee county in Mississippi. Came to Utah in 1848. Member of St. George Stake. Served mission to Cherokee nation.

3. Major autobiography with lots of references to Mangums, Richeys, and Adairs and their history by James Richey (AFN:1C3X-XR) with copy in possession of Kerry Petersen (file 168) speaks of his father:
a. "My father's name is Willie, son of Robert Richey, who was a native of South Carolina... Rebecca Belton is my grandmother on my father's side and was born in the State of South Carolina."
b. "William Richey - son of Robert (came from Ireland) and Rebecca Belton Richey was born in South Carolina. Rebecca Belton, wife of Robert was born in South Carolina. Their children:
William - married Margaret Ann Adair
Martha - married Neal Tiltison
John-married Miss Price
Margaret-married Thomas Woulman
Elinor-married Martin Caselbury
James-married after I left the county
Susanah-married Marcus E. Page
Mary-not married
David-married a Lynch and went to Texas
Nancy-married Robinson William"
c. "My father and mother had 10 children. They married February 10, 1820
Benjamin W. Richey-Born Pickens Co, Alabama, August 10, 1823
Joseph Richey-Born Pickens Co, Alabama, November 10, 1825
Rebecca Sarah- Born Pickens Co, Alabama, December 7, 1928 [sic-1828]; Died: Nauvoo, Illinois, 1845
Emily Melissa- Born Pickens Co, Alabama, March 12, 1830
Married Lvey Handcock, [Levi Hancock]
John G.
Martha Ann -Born Pickens Co, Alabama December 30, 1837; Died Nauvoo, 1845
Eliza Jane-Born Pickens Co, Alabama December 30, 1837; Died: Clover Valley, Nevada
William Belton- Born Noxubee, Co, Mississippi October 5, 1842; Died Nauvoo Illinois, 1845"
d. Partial quote from the text of James autobiography: "...I went to Mobile and disposed of the cotton and returned home and found the Mormons or Latter-Day Saints still preaching in the neighborhood and that mother had united herself with them. I then renewed my investigation of the doctrine and finally became convinced of its truth and the divinity of the mission of Joseph Smith. I then made up my mind that I would embrace the doctrine taught by the Latter-Day Saints if all the world stood ready to oppose for the promise was made to those that yielded obedience to the principles taught that they should receive the Holy Ghost as they did anciently with the signs following the obedient as they did anciently. At this time my father was a hard shell Baptist and was opposed to the gospel as preached by the Latter-Day Saints but I made up my mind to trust to the promises of God. So a Sabbath morning the latter part of the winter in the year 1844 I was Baptized by Benjamin L. Cluft [Cluff?] in a beautiful stream of clear water called running water. After I was Baptized and confirmed by the laying on of hands for the reception of the Holy Ghost, I then went about five miles to a mormon meeting. I felt very solemn for I knew I had taken an important step. I went from meeting to the house of John Sprouse for supper and stayed till after night then went home. It was late when I got home and the folks were all in bed and asleep. I went to bed but not to sleep. I was meditating upon the Principles of the Gospel and all at once the Holy Spirit came up on me and I was filled with joy unspeakable and full of glory. I could feel it from the crown of my head to the soles of my feet. I very soon awakened all that was in the house and bore a strong testimony to them in regards to the truth of the gospel as restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith, in consequence of which my father and brother Benjamin went and was baptized the next morning. Not long after this I was to a prayer meeting when I received the gift of tongue and spoke by the gift and power of God as they did in the days of the apostles. I was interpreted by one of the brethern and we had a time of rejoicing together as they did in the olden times. Shortly after this, I think about the last of March 1844 I went in company with B.L. Bluff [Cluff?], Hayden, Church, Johnston, and Blake to a conference in the state of Alabama TulCalbocy [Tuscaloosa] County where I was ordained an elder in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints under the hand of brother Cluff and others. After the conference was over I returned to where my father's people lived in the western part of Pickens County and stopped there to preach the Gospel to them. After stopping there awhile I went to Ittewambe [Itawamba] County in the State of Mississippi to visit with and preach the gospel to my mother's people..."

4. Gloria Winter, a volunteer Manti research, at confirmed on 7 Apr 2003 with the Manti FHL that his wife Margaret died and is buried there. Gloria also says her husband, William, was a teamster and hauled goods from other areas into the San Pete Valley.

5. I transcribed this from a holographic account from an unidentified author but apparently a grandchild of William Richey. Note that most family descendants believe that the middle initial "B" in the original William's name in some accounts is an error. The great grandparents are William Richey and Margaret Adair - Margaret being the sister of Samuel J. Adair, my ancestor. A copy of the original was provided to me 19 Apr 2003 by Gloria Winter from the files the Family History Library in Manti. I have added some punctuation and corrected obvious spelling errors: "John Richey was a brother of Robert Richey born in Ireland year 1770. Robert Richey, my great-great grandfather born in South Carolina 1775, married Rebbeca Belton who was a daughter of William and Susanna Belton. From this union William Richey was born Feb. 1, 1796, Newberry, South Carolina; he married Margarett Adair. Born to this marriage was James, born Aug. 15, 1821, Pickens Co., Alabama. He married Lucinda Adair. No. of children born to this union: seven, some of which lived in Arizona. William B. Richey, my grandfather, was born May 17, 1840, Noxuba Co., Mississippi. Five of the children died before my great grandparents emigrated to Utah. My great grandmother died and was buried in Manti; her husband is buried in Parowan, Utah. They traveled with the first pioneers who came to Utah. Pres. Brigham asked that they travel south to Sanpete. When they reached Salt Creek canyon, grandfather's mother was so ill they could not travel farther so they stayed in Salt Creek canyon until she was able to travel again. Isaac Morley took grandfather with his family to Manti. They landed Nov. 22, 1849; 224 men, women, children pulled up along the creek at what would later be called Temple Hill. Snow began falling that night and by morning the ground was white with snow. ___ the men and boys began digging into the side of the hill and in a few days they had 27 dugouts carved out of the dirt and limestone ledges. Others drove the cattle maybe 250 head they had herded from Salt Lake City past Utah lake up Salt Creek canyon to the Sanpitch river where feed was good along the bottom lands. The snow that began to fall on Nov. 22 fell almost constantly. By Dec. 24, the day before Christmas, it was knee deep for the cattle to nuzzle way or paw through in their search for grass; so that day livestock was driven out of the bottom lands past the dugouts and the wagon boxes rigged up as cabins out to what they called the warm springs. A little flow of tepid water that came out of the ledges two miles south of Temple Hill, fed a few willow patches and cottonwood groves, watered a few little meadows and ended up in the valley below. A lot of people had occasion to remember that Xmas day and the days that came after for a long, long time. William B. Richey was one of those who remembered it the longest because he was only nine years old at the time as he was one of the boys who fought with the men to save the livestock and therefore the settlement in the months ahead. On Christmas day armed with shovels, hatchets, saws, they began the months long task of clearing the meadows of snow, cutting down willows, sawing branches out of cottonwood tees and hauling in anything that might serve as food for the cattle. In the days after Xmas the snow continued to fall until it was three feet deep; the men and boys continued to fight the drifts and the cold and the dazzling brightness of January days that blinded some; by February the cattle began to die - they made eating of a kind for the little band of Indians camped a mile away at the Red Point. Spring came late that year and when June arrived 113 animals were left, gaunt survivors of what oldtimers called the hardest winter of the all because the surviving livestock were too weak for spring plowing. 12 men walked to Salt Lake City and returned with fresh stock for the planting. One warm day in the spring of this year serving the double purpose of creating a little excitement and varying the monotony of our field labors, the citizens of our little berg were treated to a disagreeable surprise party; just after sunset a weird hissing and rattling was heard apparently coming from all points at once, and the very earth seemed writhing with gaunt spotted backed rattlesnakes. They had come from caves above us in the ledges of rock that had been our shield and shelter from the northern blasts of winter. They invaded our homes with as little comance as the plagues or compunction as the plagues of Egypt did the palace of Pharaoh. They took the privilege of occupying our beds and cupboard pantries who had none. The male portion of the community turned out with torches to enable them [to] prosecute the task of extermination and the slaughter continued until the wee hrs. of night. Persons who were engaged in the work said the number killed the first night as near three hundred; the remarkable feature of the invasion was that not one single person was bitten by the repulsive creatures. They do most of their traveling in the early evening and are most dangerous when recovering from the state induced by the intense cold of winter. The indian encampment covered that portion of the present site of Manti from Temple Hill to hills east, City creek south and west, this area being thickly dotted with wickiups thus forming a huge semicircle around the whites. At one time the men and boys were clearing snow so the cattle could eat; a terrrible storrm came up, they could not see their way to get back to camp. Some said they should go East, others said west; grandfather traveled east until he came to the Sanpete Indian camp. He spent the night with the Indians and returned to what was his home next morning. The men who went west wallowed through deep snow all night; when morning came they were on the west side of the valley in the salaeratus beds. This salaeratus was used as lye by the pioneers to soften the water when doing the family wash. During the summer of the first year the settlers built a bowery near their camp. Here public meetings were held the most important of which were the Sabbath Day services. First meeting was held July 7, 1850. Pres. Brigham Young advised the settlers to build their townsite near a water supply. About this time Chief Walker who happened to be in one of his moods literally spoiling for a row, put on his war paint and sent a demand for the whites to deliver up to him for death two of the most influential men in the settlement. This demand was not fulfilled and they could see it was necessary to build a fort for their protection. On the 27th of May building was begun; on the 28 of June it was finished, the walls were eight feet high and two feet thick and set upon a foundation three feet wide. After it was completed houses were built inside. The cabins were set close together with the backs close to the fort wall so as to leave as much space as possible in the center. Seventy-six men who labored on the fort - it required a total of 781 man days, 123 of which were with teams. At one time my grandfather was a minute man; he was called with others to come to Ephraim and west of town, when Bro Currie was left as a baby his parents were both killed that day by the Indians. In this day of rapid and comfortable transportation, it is difficult for people now to visualize the hardships endured by our pioneers. For a period of more than four years, raiding and killing were the Indians' pastime; they seemed to specialize in the art of surprise and ambuscade. The history of this war is filled with incidents of the killing of men, women, and children without warning or a chance to defend themselves. During the first year it was estimated that the Indians drove off and killed between 30 and 40 whites and 2000 head of cattle and horse. In the year 1862 Johannah Marie Hougaard emigrated with her parents to Utah from Falster, Denmark. She was 16 years of age; she spent 6 years in the home of her parents spinning and weaving - there was not much time for pleasure in those days. She did enjoy dancing; I imagine she did do alot of dancing as this is where she met her future husband William B. Richey. On Aug. 26, 1868 Johanna Marie Hougaard and William B. Richey were married. Twelve children were born to this union - 9 girls, 2 boys. In the early years of their married life, William B. Richey did freighting as a means [of] supoport for his family. He freighted to Pioche, Nevada and Salt Lake City, Utah. As a child I listened to many stories and experiences he had while freighting. One story I remember very well. It goes as follows: A man by the name of Geo. Spencer, made a trip to Pioche with William B. Richey; they were always bothered by bandits so had to find places on the wagons to hide what little money they had. One night William was worried and he feared a hold up. He told George who had one hundred dollars in greenbacks to hide his money. George went to the grub box, took a loaf of bread, broke it open and put his money inside the loaf of bread, then placed the bread back in the grub box. During the night one of [the] mules ate the loaf of bread. Grandfather always had a good laugh when he told this story. In those days, it took a month to make a trip to Pioche and return. It took two weeks to make a trip to Salt Lake City and return, so grandmother was alone most of the time while her children were growing up. My grandfather passed away May 9, 1911 at the age of 73 from pneumonia - is buried in Manti."

6. Journal History, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Church History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, 20 Jan 1848, p. 25: "Following is the petition for a post office on the Pottawattamie lands, referred to, with the signatures attached. To the Honorable Postmaster Gerneral of the United States. Sir: There are many thousand inhabitants in the vicinity of the Log Tabernacle, which is situated on the Government purchase of the Pottawatamies and in the State of Iowa, whose interest is materially injured, and whose journey, business and improvements are retarded or destroyed by non intercourse; there being no Post Office within forty or fifty miles of said Tabernacle, and the public good requires a convenient office: Therefore, We your Petitioners, Citizens of the United States and residents of said vicinage, pray your Honor to cause, such an office to be located at or near said Tabernacle without delay, to be called the Tabernacle Post Office... [Approximately 2,000 plus all male signatures including] Daniel Tyler, Joseph Mangum, William Richey, John B. Richey, William B. Richey, John R. Holden [Wiley Holden and Joshua Holden are immediately adjacent - relations?].

7. Historical Dept., LDS Church, Salt Lake City, UT, selected extracts from MS 1880, "Reminiscences [ca. 1896] of Henry Eyring," MS1880, p. 25: "...We held our October [1856] Conference at Bro. Buster's place, situate on one of the tributaries of Grand River. Nearly all the elders were present, Elder H.W. Miller presided... Elders Miller and Case left the Cherokee Mission about Nov. 1856 and Elder Wm Bricker about the same time... Elder Robert C Petty had died during 1856, leaving W.N. Cook, Jno. A. Richards, Wm. Richey, Geo. Higginson and myself to carry on the work of that mission. Elder W.N. Cook was chosen President... Notwithstanding we were ordered to leave the Creek Nation we returned to labor there again in the fall of 1856... Our April Conference 1857 was held in the Creek Nation at Elder Randall's. Elder Parley P. Pratt was with us at that Conference. His mind was filled with gloomy forebodings and it appeared as though he were left to himself, not being able to discern the future or any way of escape for himself. Himself and Elder Geo. Higginson were arrested on the road which leads from Fort Gibson to Texas. Bro Higginson after having been taken to Fort Smith, Arkansas, was liberated and made [p.26] his way to the Valleys in a Texas Company of Saints, bearing with him the sad tidings of Elder P.P. Pratt's martyrdom. Soon after the death of Elder Pratt, the Buchanan army was sent to Utah and the excitement against the Latter-day Saints ran very high in the U.S. and to some extent in the Indian Territory. It was deemed advisable for the Elders laboring on the Cherokee Mission to remain quiet for a season and consequently I returned to Deep Fork and spent most of the year 1857 in mercantile pursuit. In 1858 I was more or less engaged in merchandising. In the fall of the year Sept. 17, 1858, I married Anne, daughter of Etso-emahlia, a Creek half breed... I will here state that after the death of Elder Washington N. Cook I was chosen President of the Mission by the vote of the Conference, held at Iron Springs October 1858, Elder Jno. A. Richards opposing the appointment. He having married a well to do Cherokee woman by the name of Widow Wright his sole aim seemed to be how to accumulate and obtain wealth, thereby neglecting the duties of his ministry. When Father Richey and myself went to Utah in 1860 he desired to remain and I have learned since that he joined the Southern army during the war of the Rebelliion and of course denied [p. 27] the faith, at least never returned to Utah to my knowledge... April 6, 1860, myself and wife separated, she having no disposition to be subject to good teachings and moreover possessing an extremely jealous disposition, she imagined a great many foolish things. Father Richey, who boarded with us felt to fully justify me in my separation. I had now been about 4 1/2 years on the Cherokee Mission and felt somewhat desirous to know when I would be released from my labors. Not being able to hear anything from the Presidency of the Church, I called upon the Lord in prayer, asking him to reveal to me his mind and will in regard to remaining longer or going up to Zion. The following dream was given to me in answer to my prayer. I dreamt I had arrived in S.L. City and immediately went to Pres't B. Young's office, where I found him. I said to him: 'Pres't Young I have left my mission, have come of my own accord but if there is anything wrong in this, I am willing to return and finish my mission.' To this he replied: 'You have stayed long enough, it is all right.' Having had dreams before which were literally fulfilled I had faith to believe, that this also would be and consequently commenced at once to prepare for a start. Father Wm. Richey and myself fitted up jointly and on the 23d May 1860 left Springhill in the Creek Nation. Passing through Kansas and Nebraska, we finally reached Omaha in the latter State. [p. 28] We found that a Company of Saints led by Captain Murphy was ahead of us a few days' Journey and we resolved at once to hurry and overtake them. This we did, just as they were being ferried across Loupe Fork. Our little wagon was very frail and the brethren of the Company thought that we certainly would not reach S.L. Valley with it. However it held together and instead of having to be helped in by the brethren we had the pleasure of giving rides to some of our weary old Sisters. I enjoyed myself excellently while crossing the plains walking nearly the whole distance and to me it was more like a pleasure trip, than a toilsome pilgrimage. I arrived in S.L. City Aug. 29th, 1860, and stopped at the house of Bro. Jno. M. Moody. The following day Bro. Richey and myself called upon Pres't Young, who received us very kindly. I said to him, 'Pres't Young I have come without being sent for, if I have done wrong, I am willing to return and finish my mission.' He answered: 'It is all right, we have been looking for you.' Thus my dream was literally fulfilled.... [p. 30] ...at the October Conference 1862 Volunteered to go to Dixie... About Oct 25th, 1862, we started for Dixie having hired our passage with John Nebeker, who then had a residence in Toguerville Kane Co. Our journey was tedious and slow, reaching St. George about Nov. 23d. We first camped on Bro. James Richey's lot, but getting employment at Washington, ginning cotton we removed there and remained until the latter part of January..."

8. The master's thesis: "Mormon Indian Missions - 1855," by Wesley R. Law, July 1959, p. 93: "The missionaries were able to baptize a few more natives into the Church during 1858 and early 1859. In fact, the increased number of baptisms resulted in the organization of two new branches. The elders apparently had been allowed to resume their labors among the Creeks, as the Nephi Branch was organized in that nation by President Eyring and the Lehi Branch was organized among the Cherokees. The Lehi Branch functioned only a short time when it was disorganized due to its president and teacher moving to Utah. A letter written by President Eyring in 1860 stated that the Nephi Branch was still functioning. It also mentioned that there were forty-three members of the Church in the Cherokee nation and forty-eight among the Creeks. Speaking of this total membership, however, Eyring said that '...only a very few are alive in the cause, the majority are careless and indifferent...' At the close of 1859 the Cherokee authorities again ordered the missionaries to leave the reservation. They all complied except Richards who was allowed to remain because he was married to one of the tribe. [John A.] Richards, however, made no attempt to do any missionary work. The Creeks issued a similar order during the early part of 1860. President Eyring and William Richey were the last missionaries, excluding Richards, to leave the mission. They started for Utah on May 23, 1860. As far as records indicate the mission was closed on May 23, 1860, and remained as such for the next seventeen years... Footnotes: 'Journal History,' Aug. 31, 1860, p. 4; 'Samuel O. Bennion Letter,' LDS Church Historian's Office, Salt Lake City, Utah, 1937, single page."

9. Pioneer Trail Travel per Http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/library: Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel, 1847-1868. Source of Trail Excerpt: Richey, James, Autobiography [n.d.], 4-5.
Trail Excerpt: "...Soon after i was married i crost the missi[ss]ppi river and started west[.] wee stopt on the desmoin [Des Moines] river and waited for some provistions[.] wee also stopt on fore river and workt a while[.] wee then traveled on to pisga[h.] here I was taken down sick and was neare unto death but finally i got beter and my wife was takeen down sick and was very low for a long time but finally recovered[.] i stayed at pisga[h] tel late in the fall when mee and my brother in law Joseph mangum moved to winter quarters on the missouri river whare I stayed tel spring[.] while we ware in ioway [Iowa] my brother benjamin left is [us] and went on to council bluffs[,] whare entered the mormon battallion and went to calafornia [California] whare he died and thus i was deprived of a friend that was neare and deare to mee
my wifes mother died at winter quarters from being exposed in traveling in an inclemant season of the year[.] i stayed at winter quarters tel spring and then started with the first camp for the vall[e]y of the mountains whare i arrived with my family after a long and tegious [tedious journey]-i arrived in salt lake vally in october in the year 1847[.] i left my fathers family at winter quarters on the missouri river whare they lived tel the spring of forty eight when they started for salt lake vally and joined mee in the fall of the same year[.] when they left my father started on a mishion [mission] to texas leeveing his mother at winter quarters[.] he filled his mishion and returnd to winter quarters and emigrateed to the val[l]ies in the year 50 [gran…] and ther[e] died of colerry [cholera]"

10. Nauvoo LDS Land and Records Office research file (copy in my possession as of 2 Jun 2007 and also partially viewable at www.earlylds.com). Includes family group sheet from Ancestral File and copy of Susan Easton Black's book on LDS Members. Also included:
A. Land records: T5 R7, Sec 11, E Side NW SE, 30 acres (Prairie Township). This land is adjoining the town of Carthage where Joseph and Hyrum Smith were martyred.
B. 70s Records: One child with Nancy Ridge and 10 with Margaret Ann Adair. Quorum 28. Endowed 20 Jan 1846 as a seventy. Went on a Cherokee Mission. Was a mechanic and a farmer.

11. "The Indian Territory Mission," B. H. Roberts, "Comprehensive History of the Church," Vol.5, Ch.126, pp.102-103:
"From 1855 to 1860 a mission was maintained in the Indian territory among the Cherokee, Creek, and Choctaw Indians. At the April conference in Salt Lake City, 1855, six elders, viz, Henry W. Miller, Robert C. Petty, Washington N. Cook, William Richey and John A. Richards, were called to this mission; and in the early part of the summer arrived upon the scene of their labors along the borders of the Indian territory, adjoining Arkansas. Two of the number were sent among the Delawares, but meeting with no success they rejoined the rest of their party in the Cherokee nation, at Spavinaw, a settlement on a small stream of the same name. Here they met a small company of brethren from Texas who had been associated with Lyman Wight and his operations in that state, but becoming dissatisfied with him had started to go to the headquarters of the church in Utah. En route they had come in contact with some of the followers of James J. Strang, who had succeeded in persuading these Texas brethren that all was not right with the church in Utah; and therefore they had halted at Spavinaw where they were found by the missionaries from Utah as aforesaid. Elder Miller in charge of the Indian territory mission soon persuaded the brethren  		Richey, William (I1408)
 
2477 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Correspondent Marsha Markham per 30 Sep 2002 email offers the following as children of this individual: "I'll have to reopen my files and check what the references are...I know they are valid...much has come down through a family historian but there are also references from some books.
Here is a listing of Edmund Henry Wells and Hepzibah Buel's children.
a. Edmund, b. 26 Mar 1792, Cambridge, Washington, NY. wed Jane Cooper (this is my ancestor...just so you know).
b. Wealthy Ann, b. 25 Jan 1794, Cambridge. m. Samuel Cooper (b. 19 Sep 1791, d. 27 Mar 1839, Burton, Adams, IL). Wealthy d. 23 Mar 1865, Buckeye, Yolo, Ca.
c. James...occupation was a shoemaker. He died at Harmony, Chautauqua, NY. He was wed to Clorinda Griffin.
d. Priscilla, d. at Busti, Chautauqua, NY...wed to a Mr. Dickinson.
e. Elizabeth, d. Chautauqua, NY...wed to Lewis Berry.
f. Sidney, d. in Ca...wed to Sylvia FairChild (d/o James FairChild.) 2nd wife was Hannah Morrison
g. Solomon, b. 18 Sep 1811, Cambridge, Washington, NY. d. Quincey, IL...wed to Mary Ann Dunlap (d/o Rev. James Dunlap)
h. Harriet, d. Harmony, Chautauqua, NY. Was wed to a Mr. Slayton.

2. Correspondent Marsha Markham per 5 Oct 2002 email says: "Welthy Ann (Edmund's sister married Samuel Cooper, son of John of Eagle Bridge (on Hoosic River), White Creek, NY." She references the book "New York Scotch-Irish Cooper and Allied Families' Histories" by Russ Cooper, 1755 Derbyshire Rd., Cleveland, OH 44106.

3. FHL book 929.273 W462C "History and Genealogy of the Wells Family," compiled by John L. Cobb, 1999, supplementing "The History and Genealogy of the Wells Family" by Philip L. Cobb, 1897. Pp. 71-72, references given as: I.G.I. NY state: Wells, as of Apr 1988 and Mar 1992, CT: Wells et al.: 'Cem. Inscrip. from Cambridge, NY,' copied by P.L. and L.B. cobb 1913; Wash Co., NY deeds: CC: 13, 30 Aug. 1830, rec. 31 Aug 1831; Asa Fitch's Notes for a Wash Co., NY Hist.: re Wells: 839; Administration: Edmund Henry Wells of Cambridge, NY: 2 Jan 1815, by wid. Hepzibah: 2: 67; 'American Genealogist'; vol. 46, July 1970: 181-2: 'The Wells Fam. of Hebron, CT, and Cambridge, NY' by John G. Hunt, 821 No. Jackson St., Arlington, VA 22201 (Capt. Wm. C. Ball, USN (ret.) of Anaheim, CA. Text:
"Edmund Henry Wells, son of Edmund and Welthia Ann (Goodrich) W. of Cambridge, NY, born about 1770, probably in Hebron, CT; he married (1791), to Hepzipah Buel, daughter of Ichabod and Hepzibah (Dewey) B. of Hebron, CT, born about 1771, she received into communion of the Prot. Presby. Church of Cambridge, NY, 17 Oct. 1809; family resided in Cambridge, NY, where he died 2 Apr 1813 in 42nd year, of 'spotted fever' or 'the epidemic'; she died 15 Dec 1819 in 48th year, and both buried in the cemetery on the Turnpike, south of the village of Cambridge, Wash. Co., NY. Children all born Cambridge, Wash. Co, NY, order undetermined [9 children listed but I only list Wendell's mother - see parents for full quotation]:
Wealthy Ann, b. 25 Jan 1794, bapt. 13 Apr 1794 Prot. Presby Church, Cambridge, rec'd into comm. there ___ 1813 by Rev. John Dunlap; she m. 1 May 1815 at Cambridge, to Samuel Cooper, s. of John and ___C. of Eagle Bridge (on Hoosic River), White Cr., NY; b. ___; fam. rem. with brother Edmund W. to Chautaugua Co., NY and later, 1848, Burton (E. of Quincy), Adams Co., IL, where he died of fever. Several children Cooper: W.B., b. ___; in 1847 at Saltillo, Mexico, having enl. 1846 in Adams Co., IL (letter: 1847 to Uncle James about Texas and Mexico)."

4. TAG 46:180-183: "The Wells (Welles) Family of Hebron, CT. and Cambridge, N.Y.," by John G. Hunt:
"...Edmund Henry4 Wells, born about 1771, died at Cambridge, N.Y., "of the spotted fever" in 1813; by his wife, who was also his kinswoman, Hepzibah (daughter of that Ichabod Buell named at p. 131 of cited Bradford Genealogy), he left these Wells Children:
i. Edmund5, b. Ca. 1791, Cambridge, N.Y.; living 1850 at Harmony, Chautauqua County, N.Y.; had issue.
ii. Wealthy, m. John Cooper and was living 1848 at Burton, Ill. Their son, W. B. Cooper, was in 1847 at Saltillo, Mexico, having been enlisted in Adams County, Ill., in the preceding year. He gives his impressions of Texas and part of Mexico in a letter dated in 1847, addressed to his uncle, James5 Wells, whose descendant, Capt. William C. Ball, USN (ret.), of Anaheim, Call has made the information available.
iii. James, in 1850 of Harmony, N.Y.; had issue.
iv. Priscilla, m. ___ Dickinson of Busti, Chautauqua County, N.Y.; had issue.
v. Elizabeth, m. Ransom Curtis of Busti; had issue
vi. Sidney, d. in California, leaving two sons in Albany, N.Y.
vii. Solomon, d. at Quincy, Ill., leaving issue.
viii. Harriet, m. William Slayton of Harmony; issue."

MARRIAGE:
1. Performed by Rev. John L. Dunlap. [Note: brother Solomon married a Dunlap, dau. of a Rev. Dunlap.]

BURIAL:
1. Per tombstone list on file prepared by Brett T. Dunham, Manager of the Winters Cemetery District, 415 Cemetery Drive, P.O. Box 402, Winters, CA, 95694, phone 530-795-2475, email wcd415@sbcglobal.net. The following are buried in:
Sect. 6, Lot 118, Cooper Plot, all surnamed Cooper:
-Anna M., Dec 9, 1820-Dec 16, 1891, wife of H. Cooper.
-Baby ?. Broken marker looks like -July 4, 1858? age 2 y 20 da.
-Charles C., 1860-June 11, 1943.
-Egbert H., -Jan 26, 1875, age 17-10-16, son of H. and A.M.
-Eula D., Jan 26, 1875-Feb 7, 1959.
-George Day, Oct 11, 1862-Nov 12 1958.
-Henry, Mar 4, 1816-Dec 7, 1901.
-Ida May, Oct 28, 1888 age 22-1-27, wife G.D. Cooper.
-Mary, 1863-Aug 23 1938.
-Wealthya, Mar 23, 1865 age 71y.

2. Per photos of tombstone inscriptions provided to me by Rea Jenkins 19 Jan 2011:
-"Eula D. Cooper, Jan. 26, 1875 - Feb. 7, 1959."
-"John F. Baker, Died Feb. 28, 1890, aged 49 yrs. 7 mos. 8 ds. Native of Mass. Susan Jane, wife of J.F. Baker, died Feb. 14, 1903, aged 55 yrs., 11 mos. 8 days. Native of Illinois. At Rest." [Tombstone clearly gives John's death as 28 Feb, which then makes his birth date 20 Jul 1840, both of which are at variance to what dates I have been using.]
-Military tombstone: "William Elmer Baker, California, ___ Am. Service, August 30, 1932."
-"George D. Cooper, Oct. 11, 1862-Nov. 12, 1958."
-"Ida May, Wife of G.D. Cooper died Oct. 28, 1888, aged 22 Yrs. 1 Mo. 27 Ds. [Includes a poem that is illegible in photo.]"
-"Mary Cooper, 1863-1938." [Wife of Charles C. Cooper.]
-"Egbert H. Son of H. & A.M. Cooper, died Jan 26, 1869. Aged 18? ys 10 ms. 16 ds." [This gives a different birth date of 10 Mar 1851 compared to what we have used of 16 Oct 1851.]
-"Charles C. Cooper, 1860-1943."
-"In memory of Wealthy A. Cooper who died March 23, 1865, aged 71 years. [Includes photo of illegible poem.]"
-"Ann M. wife of H. Cooper born Dec. 9, 1820, died Dec. 16, 1891."
-"Henry Cooper, born, Mar. 4, 1816, died Dec. 7, 1901."
-Unmarked stone by Ann and Henry with some design by no words that I can make out in the photo.
-"Lottie E. daughter of J.H. & L.E. Wilgus, born March 12, 1878, died August 23, 1878."
-"Veva Bell daughter of E.E. & S.B. Wilgus, June 21, 1902 - July 16, 1912. [Poem]."
-"Wilgus, Edward, b. Dec. 21, 1871, d. May 20, 1943; Susie B. Sept. 24, 1870-Feb. 20, 1947."
-"Luella E. Wilgus, Feb. 7, 1849-Jan. 24, 1928."
-"John H. Wilgus, Mar. 28, 1844 - Feb. 15, 1918"

SOURCES_MISC:
1. The Book: "The Ebenezer Hanks Story," p. 131, author Kerry William Bate; 1982; Address: Kerry Bate, 543 East 600 South, SLC, UT, 84 102.

ACTION:
1. Find and review "New York Scotch-Irish Cooper and Allied Families' Histories" by Russ Cooper, 1755 Derbyshire Rd., Cleveland, OH 44106. Look for parentage of Samuel Cooper. 		Wells, Wealthy Ann (I3303)
 
2478 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Could this be a brother? FHL film 90868 has a will dated 6 Apr 1690 and inventory dated 30 Apr 1690 from the Durham Consistory Court for Richard Parker of Haydon. Mentions unnamed wife, sons Thomas and Elexander, and daughters Jan and Margrat. Thomas is made executor.

MARRIAGE:
1. Haydon Bridge parish transcript FHL film 94994: "12 Feb 1660/1661, John Mewerse and Issabell Parker."

BURIAL:
1. Burial records for Haydon Bridge church (FHL film 991796): "19 May 1683, Issabell, wife of John Mewes of my church."
There are two Isabels, both wives of John Mewes/Muis, who died in close proximity timewise in 1683 and 1701. The two Johns are father and son and the Isabel who died last would have had to been the son's wife since there are several children born to John (the younger) after the death of the earlier Isabel in 1683. In fact the latter Isabell probably died shortly after the childbirth of her last child Robert, who was christened 9 Apr 1701 and was buried 8 Jul 1702.
 		Parker, Isabell (I4726)
 
2479 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Fanny is the grandmother of Leonhard Herzenberg, the source noted below.

3. The following descendancy was developed by and received 1 Aug 2009 from Selwyn Neiman in England , who is a researcher of the Gerson/Gersohn family. The names with an * denote individuals for whom Selwyn has a photo.
Gutta Gutel Jetchen Herzenberg (1842-1898), md. Gustav Gerson (1840-1891). They had the following children:
A. Reuven Robert Gerson* (1870-), md. Liebchen Konigsfest* (-1925).
B. Fanny Gerson (1861-1887), md. Leonhard Herzenberg (1856-1932). They had the following Child:
a. Robert Herzenberg* (1885-1955), md. Gerda Gerson* (1900-1990). [Gerda is the dau. of Samuel Gerson and Malvine Khan listed below making her and her husband first cousins.] They had the following son:
i. Leonardo Nardi Herzenberg (1934-), md. Caroline Stuart Littlejohn* (1932-).
C. Sophie Gerson.
D. Louis Gerson.
E. Samuel Gerson, md. Malvine Khan.
F. Jacov Gerson, md. Rose Konigsfest (-1936).
G. Edward Gerson, md. Matilda Kallmeyer.
H. Leopold Gerson, md. Mery Herzenberg. [Genealogy of Mery is unknown.]

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"My Parents
Fanny Gerson, Leonhard Herzenberg, Sara Halpert
[110] My mother was born on 10 Schmat 5621 (January 1861) in Pilten, my father on 12 Ab 5616 (July 1856) on a farm [gute] near Goldingen. Their great-parents were siblings. They had known each other from youth, and were attracted to each other, probably because both not so much stood out as fell out from their own sibling group. My father came to the Firm Nachman in Libau at age sixteen, where he eagerly joined the western Jewish culture circle [sich ganz dem west judischen kulturkreis anschloss]. The German pastor of Pilten had taken my mother to heart [ins herz geschlossen] and taught her along with his own children. Pilten, once an important city, bishop's see and of political-historical significance, had become a totally insignificant place, in Russian terminology "z... r....," that is, a city that had been declared as having lost city rights [111] and privileges. A single street led through it. When one came there from Windau, at the entrance there was the church, on the right the house of Jacobsohns, left the house of the Gerson grandparents, and further on relatives lived in almost every house. Behind the houses were fruit and vegetable gardens. Where these adjoined the pastures one could comfortably go through gaps in the fence to the mill field. There my mother used to play, and there I also played with other brats [lausbuben] my age when I was in Pilten for the long summer vacation. These brats attended the Pilten yeshiva next to the little old synagogue. The latter was pathetic, and the yeshiva even more so; it stopped operating long before the world war, and is not even mentioned in the Jewish encyclopedia. Through the pastoral education my mother must have gotten estranged from the whole family milieu, so she liked my father best among the few acquaintances. He was no "match" ["partie"], riches neither had, but they hoped that with help of the [112] wealthy, or better off, uncles in Libau, Goldingen, and Moscow they could get through. They became engaged, and married.
[Engagement Announcement card, Pilten, Libau]
[Wedding Invitation Card, from G. Gersohn and frau, 4:00pm, 24 July 1884, Pilten]
As the guests sat at the wedding meal came the news of the death of Uncle Robert Herzenberg in Mitau. The celebration was not to be disturbed, [113] so the news was kept secret until the end of wedding. It was interpreted as a bad omen, and unfortunately the interpreters were right. The parents moved to Libau, where my father founded the firm Leonhard Herzenberg. The business did not go, the uncles were stingy [kargten] with goods and credit. Soon thereafter I was born, possibly the only pleasure my parents experienced together. And then everything collapsed, the firm failed, my father returned as a clerk to the Nachman Firm, and on 6 Nissan 5647 (19 March 1887) my mother passed away, after suffering for three weeks with enteric typhoid [unterleibtyphus]. Her sister Sophie, who had nursed her during the illness, was infected, and died 11 days later. They were buried in a double grave in the old Jewish North cemetery of Libau, near the north shore of the harbor, next to the building of the linoleoum factory. The grave is almost in the middle of the graveyard. When I visited the cemetery as a child, it was quite full of graves. Then when I
[114]Hebrew grave inscription]
[msp 115] visited the graves later, on vacation, an oak tree grew behind the cast iron marker [tafel]. Later, after the first world war, the graveyard was abandoned and hardly protected. The low wall was easily climbed over, and everything useable was plundered. All trees were cut down, many grave markers were of wood, these were also stolen, the fences were broken off to be sold as scrap-iron. When I last visited the graves in Libau in 1930, except for the grave of mother and aunt, only a few were still preserved. The cemetery was flattened by time and weather. I don't know whether a transfer of the remains to the south cemetery occurred.
When my mother died I was one and a half years old; I have no memory of her. When I was a child one did not speak of her; when I was older and got a second mother it had been agreed that one especially did not speak of my mother. So I know almost nothing of my mother. According to stories and the few photos, she was of short stature, blond, and very beautiful [116]. She was also very clever [klug] and calm in her bearing. I have several letters of hers, that through some kind of shyness I have been unable to read, and a few handicrafts, among them my father's prayer shawl [tales] bag.
There was great sorrow in the family over the deaths of my mother and aunt Sophie. Aunt Fanny, who later married Nathan Lowenstein, came into the house to care for me and run my widowed father's household. She knew nothing of child rearing or housekeeping, she was herself only a big child. In contrast to that, she vas very pretty, and let the students of the upper grades in our neighborhood court her much and often. Apparently the situation was not good either for me or my father. So it was natural that he would have to marry again. My father went on most of our holiday trips to the relatives, of which I wrote already, [msp 117] to find himself a wife and me a mother. It did not seem to work, because it lasted very long. Perhaps the candidates shied away from taking such a wild spoiled brat as me under their care. Finally my father made a match outside the country. He went to Konigsberg in private [i.Pr.] (without taking me along), got engaged to Sara Halpert, the daughter of Hirsch Halpert, Rabbi [Gabbe] in the polish schul (Synagogue), and the wedding took place on my father's birthday in 1893. I was already almost eight when the new mother, whom I always called Mamachen, came into the house in Libau. The marriage was happy, though not smooth. The percentage of happy unions was not smaller, perhaps larger, among the arranged ones than among the accidental ones (so-called love matches). When I met her at the railway station, Mamachen was a very pretty [bildhubshe], gentle [sanfte] woman, somewhat buxom [vollschlank] wearing a camel colored plush jacket, into which I liked to cuddle. [118] She was usually serious, an outstanding housewife [hausfrau], and cooked and baked wonderfully; your mother is the only one I've met so far who can do it still better in every respect. Mamachen was no longer young, did not make herself younger, but would give her age as ten years younger.
Unfortunately neither she nor anyone else thought of it that smallpox immunization disappears at around age 30. She was vaccinated as a child, and in Germany smallpox was a rare, almost unknown, illness. But in Russia, and in God's little land of Kurland, it was all too common. Perhaps she got infected in an employment agency for servants, and became seriously ill with smallpox. She lay in the city [stadtlichen] hospital, and I would visit her with my father. She was in mortal danger for a long time; when she came out of it the once beautiful, smooth, white, face was a single red scar. [msp 119] She remained pockmarked the rest of her life. (In Russia pockmarked is called ... (rjaboi); it is such a common sight that a special [urtumlich] word was coined [gepragt] for it. The bodily manifestation of her disease disturbed Mamachen's spirit for the rest of her life. [gab Mamachen ein knacks]. Papachen could surround her with the greatest love, concern, and attention, but she would convince herself that he did not love her, that he cared more for other women; I am sure she was mistaken, but she suffered in spite of it, and Papachen suffered along with her. But they lived quietly and withdrawn. In 1895 uncle Erich was born, at the end of 1896 uncle George. We three grew up, Erich and I left the parental home and moved away [fremde], George stayed home, he was Mamachen's darling. Mamachen fulfilled her step-motherly duty in an exemplary way; before going to Libau she had to swear to her father that she would not touch the orphan [waise], and she never did. [120] I never got a slap from her, though I must have driven her to desperation with my mischief, stubbornness, and back-talk. In later years we understood each other very well, and I would get her annoyed only in jest, for example when I would say I was going to marry a Christian she became speechless just as in my Childhood when I did not want to be subdued.
For a time she became very fat, she went to Marienbad several times, she visited me in Freiberg, in Kiel and in Hamburg. She complained [krankelte] about various things. In 1922 she was in Kissingen with Papachen. The diagnoses of the physicians did not sound good, and at the end of 1922 she suffered a stroke which robbed her of speech and movement. So she suffered until the 15 Kislev (November 1923). When she died I was in Hamburg, I went to Libau for the funeral, but arrived too late. Uncle Erich was not allowed to return to [121] Latvia at that time, so uncle George and I were there alone to console Papachen. During Mamachen's illness an electric heating pad set the covers on fire. Since she could not call or move, she would have been seriously burned had not cousin Fanny (now in Prescott, AZ) happened to come in the room and torn the burning cover away. During her illness a very strange thing became evident. Some time before she had set a room aside and locked it with keys from which she would not be separated. Then she declared that the business staff were dishonest, that when Papachen and George went to lunch she herself sat in the cashiers place. She used this daily period to cut off pieces of cloth and hoard them in her locked room. Papachen found this collected hoard when he acquired the key during Mamachen's illness. This hoarding did not make sense, because the cut pieces were not useful for either [122] a suit or a dress. Perhaps this all happened in a state of craziness that later culminated in the stroke. To accomplish it she won the complicity of one of the clerks, who took the opportunity to cut coupons of cloth for himself, but with more sense, with which he supplied his girlfriend's [geliebten] shop in New Libau, who ran an active [schwunghaften] business with the stolen goods.
When I wish to describe to you my father, Leonhard Herzenberg, after whom you are named, I can approach it only with a certain shyness [Scheu]. Your grandfather, who attended only a miserable cheider in the country, worked himself out of nothing up to a very high position. I have studied, and graduated from two universities, but always see how far behind my father I stand. No matter how I approach it, from intelligence, [123] diligence, work strength [arbeitskraft], endurance, or observation gift, [beobachtungsgabe] I can only conclude that had he grown up a generation later, under my circumstances, he would have been a light for humanity in any field he may have chosen. Circumstances offered him a small range of occupations, but he fulfilled their and his possibilities 100%. I still envy his letter writing style, and his being had a dignity [wurde] and charm that I have never seen in another person; may they be granted to you, Nardi. The relatives in Berlin would laugh about Mamachen when she spoke of Papachen: "You must see him behind his desk [ladentisch], he stands there like a prince [furst]." And so it was, and whenever he attended a meeting, or led a conference, he would dominate it, without special schooling, without special speaking gifts, and modesty in appearance and dress. He easily stood out from his 9 siblings [msp 124], and perhaps that is why he did not get along with any of them. As I got to know him [als ich ihn kennen lernte] he was just as bald as he is in all his photos. Then I saw very little of him. On work days we never had a midday meal together, since school lasted until 2:30 and often 3:30, and most evenings he came home late from the store, around 9:00, when we would all be together for a short time.
Saturday the store was closed, and then we were together more; Papachen was not very devout - only after the death of my grandfather, when he would go to the synagogue daily to say Kadish, and was elected leader of the congregation, did he change; he no longer smoked on Saturday, I was allowed to smoke at home, but he did not like to see it on the street. In later years we sat together longer in the evenings, I with my school work, [125] or reading, Papachen with his bookkeeping, which he always handled himself and was very skilled at. Especially during inventory and year end he would work until late at night. Every Friday evening after dinner we would both go for a walk, in any weather, and then I talked about my school experiences, and he talked about the store. So it went during the school years; then when I went abroad [in die fremde] I would be home only occasionally on vacations, and then, briefly. I would search for every hour I could be together with him, and in later years we were the closest of friends. After I emigrated to Bolivia we would write each other weekly, and thus remained in close contact.
Soon after his second marriage Papachen with his brother Joseph founded the firm Gebruder Herzenberg. The shop was located in the Knopf building, on the corner of Korn and Julian streets. After a few years the whole [126] block of buildings up to the market burned down. The shop changed locations several times until the Knopf's rebuilding was complete. The shop again moved back to the old corner, and is still there. However, I don't know what it is called now, since the Bolsheviks who took back Latvia after France collapsed in June 1940 "nationalized" the business, that is took it over without compensation, and your uncle George, the owner, was set out on the street.
The business went well, but it was no true happiness. Papachen did not get along with uncle Joseph, and Mamachen even less so with aunt Frieda, uncle Joseph's wife. Both had equal rights, and when Papachen hired somebody, and uncle Joseph did not like them, the latter would fire them. But they both withstood it. Shortly before the world war uncle Joseph died, and Papachen became sole owner. Then the war came, almost all Jews in Libau left the city and moved to inner Russia, partly to save what one could take along, partly to flee to the capital invested in Russian [127] banks and enterprises, partly due to forced evacuation of Jews from the border areas. Uncle Leopold moved to Riga, but Papachen stayed; the Germans came, and were greeted as liberators from the Russian domination, since they came a day before the forced evacuation of the Jews, and instead of them the Russian administration fled to the north. The Germans soon showed themselves in all their ostentation. Life was difficult during the occupation time. Papachen remained a Russian patriot and invested his earnings in czarist rubles. When these then dropped down to nothing, he invested in Reichsmark, and so he also lost this portion.
The firm stayed in business, one lived, and not so badly, since the bread and fat ration cards, and the scarcity of meat and fish was not known in Kurland itself during the occupation. [128] But after Latvia became an independent state in 1919, freed of Russians and Germans, Papachen did not become a "noveau riche." During the inflation time he had helped many, but remained the same person who tenaciously fought for his existence. Now he had become the leading personality of the Jewish community. All those who towered over him in education, riches, and position had died or been ruined in Russia. He was always reelected to his position in the community, and one year before his death he was named an honorary freeman (citizen?) [eherenburger]. So, after Mamachen's death he lived in company with uncle George in the beautiful home [wohnung] at Gymnasiumstrasse-4. I was there in November 1918 when Germany surrendered in the first world war, in 1923, after Mamachen's death, in 1925 before emigrating to Bolivia [129], and last in 1930 during my European vacation. Papachen lived quietly and withdrawn; he was not a misanthrope, but was disinclined toward any turbulent gathering. He lived esteemed and loved by the congregation, the city, and with few friends from the old guard of his youth. He lived as he wanted and as he believed was right. Unfortunately he lacked Mamachen's nurture. He had already suffered from a kidney ailment earlier, which kept getting worse over the years. He rarely traveled to the German baths, about once every ten years. Shortly after my last visit in 1930 he became severely ill from kidney stones. Once in a while he had some relief, and then he worked resolutely in the business and the congregation. Finally the crisis came in July 1932. He was transferred to a clinic, but there was no help. He suffered with horrible pain, and succumbed to Uremia on the 12 Tamuz (15 July 1932). With him were uncles Erich and George. [130]
I was here in Oruro, I had just gotten a letter from him written in good spirits, since an improvement in his condition had occurred, when the telegram with the sad news arrived. I had lost not only my father, but also the best friend on earth, and the most noble person I ever knew. Papachen's funeral in Libau was exceptional, the coffin was kept in the synagogue, and there the memorial orations were given, Now he rests in the south cemetery next to Mamachen, grandmother, and uncle Joseph. The only good thing is that he did not experience the collapse of everything he loved esteemed, the whole Hitler plague and its consequences.
[Hebrew script notation]
[marginal notation:] my father's grave inscription[ followed by several lines in Hebrew script]
[130 - 133: Ehrenburger certificate, newspaper clippings of memorial items from Leonhard's death]

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. 		Gerson, Fanny (I4119)
 
2480 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Rootsweb.com 28 Jul 2007 Worldconnect database "bjephart" of Betsy Thal Gephart .She notes that Willy Gabriel Herzenberg was b. 23 Mar 1878 in Hasenpoth, Courland, Russia to Tsvi Hirsch Herzenberg and Lena Kramer. Variant birth date is 1876. He was a an iron dealer and hardware dealer in Leipaja latvia. He was killed in Liepaja, Latvia 17 Feb 1942. She provides the following sources:
A. "Pages of Testimony," by Yad Vashem, published in Jerusalem, Israel, 1995, A10-015-leg.
B. "Jews in Liepaja, Latvia, 1941-45," by Edward Anders, http://www.ej-anders.com/,2002, note A50-004-leg.
C. Chart from Abraham Blumberg, Israel, note G50-001-leg.

3. JewishGen 2003 website for family trees database has an entry for Frieda Herzenberg, b. 5 Oct 1912 and d. 17 Feb 1942 both at Liepaja, Latvia, m. Pinchas Rosenberg, b. 1913 in Ilukste latvia, m. 6 Mar 1938 and d. 17 Feb 1942 both at Liepaja, Latvia. They have a child, Ella Rosenberg, b. 9 Jun 1941 and d. 17 FEb 1942 at Liepaja, Latvia. Frieda's parents are Willy Gabriel Herzenberg, b. 1876 at Hasenpoth, Courland, Latvia, d. 17 Feb 1942 at Liepaja, Latvia and Sarah Hellman, b. 6 Mar 1880 at Talsen, Courland, Latvia, d. ABt 1941 in Liepaja. Her parents are Lazar Hellman and Frieda Blumberg. His parents are Tsvi Hirsch Herzenberg and Lena Kramer.

4. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database.
Also note that Peter has the following children of Willy and Sarah: Freida, Jacob, Josef, Eliezar, and Zvi Harry. [I have Frieda, Lazar (Eliezar), Joseph, Harry or Hirsch, and Tzvi.]
Peter also notes a "Photo" shows Eliezar and Zvi Harry. Estimate Eliezar b. abt 1915 and Zvi Harry abt. 1922. Peter includes the following footnote noting that both Eliezer and Zvi Harry are present in a group family photo supplied by Gail Herzenberg but not mentioned in her father Gabriel William's records. Due to the composition of the photo and estimated ages, these two individuals have been placed as the sons of Gabriel Willy subject to confirmation. He also notes that Jacob H. is mentioned elsewhere in the records, but not present in the group photo possibly making Jacob and Eliezer as one and the same.

5. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
YL002 shows Gabriel Willy d. 1941, md. to Sarah.
HG016

6. Email dated 22 Jan 2018 from Gilda Kurtzman of Petach Tikva, Israel : "Outline Descendant Report for Yosef Herzenberg:
1 Yosef Herzenberg
+ Rebecca Iddelson
2 Tzvi Hirsch Herzenberg b: 1836 in Libau, Latvia, d: 1925 in Libau, Latvia
+ Lena Kramer b: Abt. 1834 in Libau, Latvia, d: Nov 27, 1929 in Libau, Latvia
3 Adolph HERZENBERG b: Abt. 1870 in Aizpute (Hazenpoth) or Grobin, Courland, Latvia, d: Dec 1941 in Lativa, Holocaust
+ Lydia RAIVID b: Abt. 1879 in Possibly Telsiai, d: Sep 08, 1926 in Libau, Latvia
4 Leo HERZENBERG b: Jan 04, 1899 in Lativa, d: Mar 06, 1971 in Tel Aviv, Israel
+ Lucy ??? b: Abt. 1900 in Lithuania, m: Bef. 1927 in Lithuania, d: Aug 01, 1969 in Wiesbaden,
Germany
5 Lilli HERZENBERG b: Mar 17, 1928 in Lithuania, d: May 29, 2000 in Wiesbaden, Germany
+ Julius FARKAS b: Jul 02, 1910 in Frankfurt, Germany, m: Jun 27, 1950 in Tel Aviv, Israel, d: Jun 10, 1996 in Wiesbaden, Germany
6 Daniel Josef FARKAS b: Jul 30, 1956 in Wiesbaden, Germany
+ Dalia MIZRACHI b: Sep 11, 1957 in Tel Aviv, Israel, m: Aug 25, 1980 in Wiesbaden, Germany
7 Inbal FARKAS b: Feb 26, 1982 in Wiesbaden, Germany
+ Shmuel COHEN m: Nov 17, 2011 in Haifa, Israel
7 Chaim FARKAS b: Jun 01, 1985 in Holon, Israel
+ Adva MADANES m: Jun 10, 2016 in Chavat Ronit, Israel
7 Avital FARKAS b: Nov 14, 1991 in Holon, Israel
4 Gabriel William HERZENBERG b: Jul 19, 1900 in Libau, Latvia, d: May 27, 1985 in Chevy Chase, MD
+ Toba SCHLOSS b: May 17, 1911 in Pennsylvania, m: May 31, 1938 in Washington, DC, d: May 10, 1997 in North Bethesda, MD
5 Berl Jacob HERZENBERG b: May 07, 1942 in Washington, DC
+ Joanne MAFUCCI b: 1940
5 Gail Joanne HERZENBERG b: Apr 26, 1945 in Washington, DC, d: Jan 17, 2013
+ Jerrold Leslie ZIMMERMAN b: Jan 04, 1946, m: May 30, 1970
6 Joanna Herzenberg ZIMMERMAN b: Feb 22, 1978 in Richmond, VA
+ Jonathan Paul LACROIX b: Sep 01, 1962, m: Jul 08, 2005 in Lexington, VA
7 Tova ZIMMERMAN LACROIX b: May 20, 2008 in Virginia
6 Noah Herzenberg ZIMMERMAN b: Sep 28, 1981 in Washington, DC
4 Irving HERZENBERG b: Nov 03, 1903 in Libau, Latvia, d: Apr 27, 1964 in New York City, NY
+ Janice WILE b: May 15, 1913 in New York, m: Feb 04, 1937 in New York City, NY, d: Nov 07, 1982 in Burlington, VT
5 Linda HERZENBERG b: Jun 21, 1942 in New York
+ Peter W. SPARKS b: Mar 15, 1942, m: Feb 08, 1964 in Burlington, VT
6 Lauren SPARKS b: Sep 18, 1964 in Burlington, VT.
+ Timothy E. WRIGHT b: Oct 16, 1963, m: Jun 11, 1995 in Vermont
7 Liam WRIGHT b: Feb 13, 1998 in Concord, NH
7 Garret WRIGHT b: Jul 15, 1999 in Concord, NH
6 Jennifer SPARKS b: Mar 04, 1967 in Burlington, VT.
+ Ari GOLDSTEIN m: Dec 28, 2002 in Jackson Hall, WY
7 Beatarix GOLDSTEIN b: Feb 27, 2006 in Jackson Hall, WY
5 Carol Joan HERZENBERG b: May 08, 1944 in New York
+ Jake Simon MEYER
6 Cecelia MEYER b: 1971
6 Danielle Neva MEYER b: Apr 29, 1978 in El Paso County, TX
+ Andrew Eric GEISHEIMER b: Sep 01, 1977, m: Nov 02, 2009 in Adams, CO
6 Jared Cephas MEYER b: Aug 06, 1980 in El Paso County, TX
3 Edward Herzenberg
3 Max Herzenberg
3 Joseph Jacob Herzenberg
3 Sarah Herzenberg
3 Willy Gabriel Herzenberg"

MARRIAGE:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kerry Petersen.

DEATH:
1. Http://www4.yadvashem.org Holocaust database: Willy (Willie) Hercenberg was born abt 1876 in Hasenpoth, Latvia in to Tzvi Hertzenberg and Lena Kramer. He was married to Sarah. Prior to WWII he lived in Libau, Latvia. Willie perished in the Shoah. He owned a hardware store. Website has photo of him. This information is based on a Page of Testimony submitted 8 Mar 1993 by his niece Tauby Hercenberg Lewis residing at Ezion Gaber 3/7 Jerusalem, 97823.

2. The following accounts are copied from JewishGen.Inc and report the holocaust actions of Libau which affected many Herzenbergs. It was also typical of many of the nearby areas as well:
A. Translation of an Excerpt Relating to Libau, From the Book Published by Mr. Mendel Bobee in Yiddish
"With the outbreak of hostilities in the East, Libau was bombarded on 22.6.41 [June 22, 1941]. A very small portion of the local population could flee the next day because the trains were overloaded with the children and families of the officers and civil servants serving in Libau.
Before the war the Russians organised "Workers Guards" in which many Jews participated. These Guards were the first to see action. The first attack on the town was repulsed, but in this first action the number of casualties was very high and, as it happened, most of the casualties were Jewish boys.
The Germans occupied Libau on 29.6.41 [June 29, 1941]. The radio stations of Koenigsberg, Danzig, and Memel broadcast in Latvian highly inflammatory tirades against the Jews. With the entry of the German Army in Libau the Nazis distributed a pamphlet in Latvian to revenge the acts of "the bloodthirsty Jews who have expelled the good sons of the Latvian People to the USSR" The Latvian military and police forces under the command of the Latvian Generals Dankers and Bengersky joined the German forces and gladly participated in their infamous propaganda.
Orders were published to hand over all valuables, radios and other means of communications. The meagre food portions were cut and the infamous "Aizsargi," in their alleged searches for weapons, invaded Jewish homes and robbed, beat up and killed. With the conquest of Libau by the Germans the Jewish population counted 9,000 souls and immediately the systematic extermination started. The first victims were 33 Jewish workers who reported to work the next morning after the occupation. They were killed the same day in the "Rainis Park" in Neu-Libau.
Another order was published saying that all Jewish males between the ages of 16-65 had to come every morning to the "Hauptwachplatz" from where they were dispatched to different stations of work, accompanied by beatings and curses. No one was sure he would return home at night, as indeed many did not. The Jews were commanded to dismantle with their own hands the Great Synagogue - "The Chor-Schul" - and to destroy the Sifrei Tora. After the destruction of the building the Latvian Press claimed that the cellars of the Synagogue contained hidden weapons and Latvian property.
In these first weeks around 2000 Jews were killed and on the 24th [of] July, 3000 more men were assembled on the "Hauptwachplatz" and after their papers and valuables were taken from them, they were transported to a small fishing port near the Lighthouse at the entrance of the Port. They were all killed then and there. The Jewish population of the smaller surrounding towns like Grobin, Hasenpot, etc. were all killed in their different small towns, and only a few were deported to Libau. The murderers took special satisfaction when they killed on Yom Kippur Day 50 old men and women. After complaints from Latvians living near the Lighthouse about the noise, the executions there were stopped.
Soon another order was published saying that Jews were not to leave their homes on the 15th and 16th [of] December. They were then told by Latvians to dress warmly as they were about to be sent to work in distant places. The truth was they did not go far, only 7 kilometres, to Shkeden, and there on the beach another 3000 Jews were massacred. It was later reported that some of the killers could not bear any more the sight of these bestialities and literally went crazy. The German Commissar named Laze heard about these massacres and asked Berlin either to stop these or change the means of exterminations. He argued that the killings were disrupting his plans for the work the Jews were carrying out for the German Army. The laconic reply he received from Berlin was "economic considerations are not to be taken into account in solving that problem."
Another 375 Jews were killed on 12.2.42 [February 12, 1942] and by the end of June 1942 the Ghetto of Libau was founded. On the 1st of July the Ghetto was entirely cut off from the remaining population, and in the Ghetto, 816 people including 175 males were settled. Eleven houses were prepared for the inmates, and the preparation of the buildings, etc. was made by Jews especially selected for their good physical condition. In spite of overcrowding in the Ghetto houses, the inmates led an orderly life which was mostly due to the devotion of Mr. Israelit, a senior Jewish functionary in the town, who was assisted by Mr. Kagansky, the lawyer. Life as such in the Ghetto, with a small synagogue, a library and a small ambulatory clinic was not too difficult. The German Commander named Kretscher was rather an exception between the thousands of German officers, and treated the Jews relatively humanely. The Ghetto existed 18 months and was dismantled on the 18th of October 1943, when all were packed into railway cattle cars and transported to the "Kaiserwald" Camp near Riga. Of those who were sent there, 360 people were sent to the Auschwitz Crematorium. From the "Kaiserwald" Camp many were also sent to the "Riga-Reichsbahn," "A.E.G." and other camps in and around Riga. With the Russians approaching Riga, most of the Libauers were evacuated to Germany through Danzig and Stutthof, and were dispersed between the camps in Germany itself.
When Libau was liberated, 40 living Jews were found out of the 9000 who had lived there until 1941."

B. Libau Revisited, by Raya Westermann-Mazin
"My first visit to Libau was in 1945, less than 2 months after the end of the war. At that time it was a closed city and the special laissez- passer had been difficult to obtain. I found eleven Jews in town, who had survived by miracles. After having dug up all the details available about the destruction of my family and friends, I listened for long hours to their stories, to the whole chronicle of the past 4 years, enveloped and absorbed in a nightmare in a nightmare for which there were hardly any adequate words in any human language. When I left I was sure that this was for good.
In 1961 I came with my family from Odessa to Riga for a summer vacation. It was good to meet old friends, to enjoy the cool Baltic summer, to bathe in the sea and to linger in the white sand of the Riga Bay under the high fir trees. What suddenly made me lose my piece of mind was the last news about Libau: the city had been declared open by the Soviet authorities, with no need for a laissez-passer any more. Even Shkeden, the place in the "Kriegshafen" where the "Aktionen" had taken place, was open territory now; the centres of gravity of the naval port had evidently been moved elsewhere. Human bones had been found in the area of 8 kilometres where the shooting had taken place. The mass graves had been so close to the beach that the sea, penetrating the shallow sands, had washed them up to the surface. The authorities had permitted the Jewish community to take the bones to the cemetery and to bury them. There had been a memorial service, a gravestone had been put up.
The plane which took me to Libau in 45 minutes hardly deserved the proud definition of an aircraft. It was a primitive little thing, not soundproofed, which held 15-20 passengers who sat lulled and dulled by the deafening noise of the engine. It had been raining and the plane was bumping up and down from one cloud to the other. Only at noon when we landed the sun broke through.
Libau had changed. Sixteen years ago the whole centre and the adjoining streets had been a vast heap of ruins with mutilated skeletons of houses sticking out here and there, the grass sprouting out of the dust which had cemented the stones in the four years of the war. I had felt shaken then but I had not felt stranger. It still had seemed a part of myself - this beautiful, small Baltic town. That it looked victimised, violated and ruined was an integral part of the tragedy which had happened to it and to me.
This time, venturing out into the city of my hotel at the Rosenplatz, I felt like a tourist in a strange town. The roses on the square, all shades from white to pink to purple, looked as lush and well groomed on their long stems as before, but now there were some renovated buildings and Russian-style cafeterias around the square. New modern houses were making up a new Weidenstrasse and part of the Kornstrasse which had been destroyed, but these were completely new streets, awakening no memories whatsoever. The names of the streets had been changed, the signs were in Latvian and Russian. There were many uniforms, mostly naval.
"You go straight down the Ulichstrasse till the entrance to the "Fisherhafen," I had been advised by old Libau friends. The street had not changed. Although it looked much smaller and narrower than in my memories, the wide branches of the old lime and acorn trees still cast the same deep shadow over the sidewalk, with the breeze rustling lightly in their ample foliage. The entrance to the "Fisherhafen" was changed: some new stone houses had been put up. The plaque I had come to see was on one of the walls. There was an inscription in Latvian and in Russian: "To the victims of Fascism" killed during the German occupation. One cannot put flowers on a wall, so I put mine down on the ground - to my father and to all the others.
It was already rather late in the afternoon but there might still have been time to drive down to the cemetery. Only...I didn't feel like it. Nobody I had come to visit here had been quietly put to rest in that peaceful place. Then, all of a sudden, I knew where I really wanted to go.
To admit the truth, I have no recollections whatsoever of the 8 or 10 kilometres' drive from Libau to Shkeden on that summer day of 1961. Never during all the coming years would even a single memory surface or a single vision arise of the surrounding landscape. The taxi might have been speeding through a vacuum as far as I was concerned. The last thing which stuck in my memory was hiring it at the stop near the Central Market Place where I had bought a huge bunch of red roses. The driver was a Russian and I had felt relieved that he was not a Latvian. "This is a long drive," he said giving me a strange side-glance as I slipped into the seat beside him. But he didn't ask any questions and we drove in silence.
It was a sunny day but I didn't feel it. In my mind I was in snow and cold and winter, back to all I had been told of this last journey - the death march of the Jews of Libau. This way they had gone in buses in December 1941, and in sledges and carts or more primitive vehicles in February 1942. As many times before I tried to imagine what my mother must have thought and felt, or my aunts, or my friends or other people I had known. I don't think I even came close to it, but there was no getting away from it, neither from the stories I had heard, nor from the photographs I had seen in Libau in 1945, fresh from the lab, pictures of people on the snow, stripped naked, in the background the Latvian "aizsargi" with their rifles, the earflaps of their caps down, and the collars of their uniforms up against the biting cold...
The driver had stopped the car. "Well...?" he said turning to me, "That's as far as we can go." "Leave your taximeter on," I replied getting out of the car.
The vast terrain was unbelievably quiet. One could hear the humming of the insects flitting by in the sun, or a sudden shriek of a seagull from the nearby sea. There was only a very light breeze, the blue surface was scarcely rippled by tiny waves, only far away there were a few white crests. A couple of old wooden watchtowers showed that this had been maritime border region some time ago. The dunes were very low and when I turned away inland from the sea they stopped altogether. The ground was sand everywhere, only a few clusters of sharp grey-greenish sea grass were growing here and there.
I saw the obelisk from afar. It was a simple unspectacular four-edged cone of white limestone. When I came up to it, I read the stereotyped inscription in Russian and Latvian dedicated to the "Victims of Fascism" during the war. This time there was a number of the people killed. I don't remember it exactly but it was unbelievably high. There had never been so many Jews in the whole Baltic states. I had, however, heard that Eichmann's twisted bookkeeping had brought the Hungarian Jews to die on this sandy beach, and probably there had also been others. The word "Jew" was mentioned nowhere on any inscription. By now, however, I was used to this sort of Soviet post-mortem discrimination.
As I had done the day before, I here, too, put down my roses and resumed my wandering. There were many empty cartridge cases of different calibre's on the ground. I bent down to look at them but I did not pick them up. Then I found the bone. It was an ulna, one of the two bones connecting the wrist with the elbow. It looked very dry and frail, it was small, that of a child probably not older than ten or twelve years. I don't know why I saw a little girl before me, it could as well have been a little boy. I took it back to the obelisk and started to dig a hole in the ground having no other instruments than my bare ten fingers. As I could not find a stone on the sandy ground I put some roses on the tiny grave and rose to my feet.
It was a long walk back to the car. If the town had looked much smaller in comparison to what I had remembered, this sandy plain felt vast and endless and larger than life.
A few hours later I was on my way back. Strapped to my seat in the same little bee of a plane I looked down at the city vanishing quickly beneath the wings. There was no regret or nostalgia that this was, I knew, the last time I would be seeing it.

C. Witness for the Prosecution, by Arnold Engel
"I waited a long time for this day. I thought the day would never come. The room in the new hotel - Intercontinental in Hanover - was spacious, warm and well lit. I got up early on this Friday, April 3rd, 1970, shaved and gave a look at my watch.
It was 7:30 in the morning. One more hour. One more hour and I will face him. Will I recognise him? Will I be able to look into his eyes? I opened the curtain and looked outside. The new, modern television tower looked yellowish, as the sun was rising, and the light snow from the night before was starting to melt.
I had a cup of coffee and hailed a taxi-cab: "Zum Landesgericht bitte."
It was a ten minute ride. A police car rushed by blowing its horn, which sounded exactly as the Gestapo horns: pipi-pipi-pipi-pipi, the same sound of the police van which picked up Anna Frank and millions of others.
The guard on duty at the court house directed me to the court room. It was early. I and "his" attorney were first. The court session was called for 8:30. Two minutes before, they started to come. One by one, in groups of three or four.
Then I saw him. I recognised him at once. How could I have ever thought that I would not remember him? Aged, but still tall, slim, blondish and his trade-mark: cool, murderish, motionless eyes.
The court clerk called to order. The judges entered. The jury looked bored. The defenders looked somewhat nervous, the defendant tried to remember if he ever saw me. He whispered something to his lawyer. Everything became quiet in the court room No. 127.
Who is this man? It was said that he was once so powerful, that he helped to wipe out a whole town, he killed Children, shot hundreds of old people, young people, men, women, Jews and others all in one day, and managed to wash his bloody hands, have a few drinks and spend that evening joking or dancing, playing games or reading a newspaper - as if nothing had happened that day.
After stating my name, address and birthday I was asked by one of the judges:
"Mr. Engel, do you recognise any of these gentlemen?"
"I do, sir."
"Please point out, whom do you recognise?"
"Him, Erich Handke."
"Please tell us what do you know about Erich Handke?"
For twenty-nine years I had dreamed about having the opportunity to testify against this brutal man - Handke. I knew that he was alive somewhere in Germany. One week after Hitler attacked the USSR, the Wehrmacht entered our small town of Libau on the Baltic Sea. Close to 9,000 Jews lived in Libau before the war - out of a population of 56,000.
Libau had a rich Jewish community with two noted synagogues, a Jewish trade school, a Yeshiva, a Jewish private school, high school and a Jewish sports stadium, a yacht club and all the usual organisations, including the known sport club "Maccabi"." There were very few real rich Jews, but also very few were poor. Always a shipping and trading city plus its location at the white sandy Baltic seacoast, the city did its share of progress in tourism, in export and in import.
Soon after the Wehrmacht, the Gestapo arrived, under leadership of SS-Obersturmfuehrer Dr. Fritz Dietrich, SD-leader Wolfgang Kigler, and Erich Handke who seemed to be in charge of everything, but mainly to solve the Jewish question.
The first mass destruction of the Libau Jews took place on the hot summer day of July 27, 1941. The Jews were ordered to appear on the Hauptwachplatz. Known as ever law-abiding, the Jews obeyed the orders. At the square they had to stay at attention. Many were beaten up and had to undergo terrible treatment by the SS-men.
Erich Handke was on the warpath. Kicking, shouting and slapping, he ordered hundreds of Jews to be thrown on ready brought trucks. As the number of Jews present diminished, he noticed a tall handsome, grey- haired gentleman, who was none other than Dr. Schwab, a well known local physician. Handke killed him in a brutal manner; this murder was witnessed by the hundreds of Jews who were still standing at attention on the square, where I used to come as a child and watch the fire engines being cleaned. During that day, on a hot July, over three thousand Jews were executed near the lighthouse in the vicinity of the sandy beach, where people used to bathe.
Handke did not stop here. He was everywhere. Almost daily he would appear somewhere. Wait for them with their yellow rag, marked Jews marching from work, tired from their slave labour, hungry from not eating - and with a "blitz" he would start to attack.
It would take up this and many more journals to describe all the "heroic deeds" of this bloodthirsty murderer. When a day passed by and he did not destroy a human life, he would order one of his Jewish slaves to find some pigeons and bring them to him in a hurry. Once they brought him the pigeons, he would take them, one by one and squeeze their heads off, by placing the birds between the door of his office and pulling the door shut.
By 1942, one year later, there were only 800 Jews alive. A Ghetto was created and the 800 moved into it on the 1st of July, 1942. The Libau Ghetto was liquidated on the 6th of October, Yom Kippur day, and the inmates were sent to the Kaiserwald near Riga concentration camp, and when the number dwindled to less than 500 they were sent to the Stutthof death camp near Danzig.
Today, there are less than 80 Jews who survived the war, the camps and Handke. Many do not have the strength to testify against the Scharfuehrer (Staff Sergeant) Erich Handke, born 10 November, 1914 (SS #371241) in Lisa, Germany; many do not recall the exact dates, locations or even if Dr. Schwab was attacked at the Firemen's Square or in the women's jail (where the Jews were once more screened before being sent to their death). The German court at Hanover tried their best to have Erich Handke with his eight other cohorts convicted, they have travelled to the USA and Israel, and were permitted to interview survivors now residing in the USSr.
But, because of the time elapsed, the reasons I gave before, Erich Handke may be walking the streets a free man at Tailfingen. I do not regret that I went to Hanover, that I once more faced this mass-murderer Handke. I am glad, that I was able to be a witness for the prosecution."

PHOTO:
1. I have on file a photo of Lena (Kramer) Herzenberg and her descendants taken circa 1927 from Ron Lapid per his email dated 3 Aug 2010 . (Ron's ancestor was the sister to Lydia Raivid and he is not of direct Herzenberg descendancy). The photo is originally from Gail J. Herzenberg and apparently is the same one Peter Bruce Herzenberg references in his notes from Gail. Names are penciled in by Ron after his analysis and in corroboration with Gail. I have a copy of the photo on file. Ron notes: After studying the photo and estimating the ages, I concluded that this photo was taken about 1927 and not 1920 as previously thought. (Lina is in the photo, who died 27 Nov 1929 - but Lydia, who died 8 Sep 1926 is not there.). He also makes the sober comment that everyone in the photo dies in the Holocaust except Tauby who is still alive. Included in the photo are:
-Lena (at an advanced age).
-Lena's sons (missing Max Mordechai and Edward):
-Adolf (Avraham) with no wife but with adult son Leon standing behind Adolf resting a hand on Adolf's shoulder. Leon's name is an error and the son is confirmed by Gail as her father Willy Gabriel.
-Willy Gabriel, wife Sarah Hellman, dau. Frieda, sons Eliezer, Joseph, Zvi (Harry).
-Joseph Jacov, wife Rachel Freudberg, children Klara, Taube, Nichole, Bernie, Judith; son Willy is missing from photo.
-Lena's daughter Sarah Levenstein (seated) and unidentified girl standing behind her with resting an arm on Sarah's shoulder who could be Sarah's daughter Hinda. No husband shown (deceased?) for Sarah. Both seem to be wearing black in the photo (perhaps a sign of mourning?).
-One unidentified adult male sitting on Lena's immediate left (Adolphe sitting in same position on opposite side of Lena). By looks, he appears same age as other brothers. Could this be Max Mordechai (without his wife and Children) or even Edward (on a visit back from the US)?

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/

2. Interested researcher: Binni Lewis 18 Aug 2007 . Has no dates nor places but lists children as Sarah, Gabriel Willy, Adolphe, Edward, Max Mordechai, Yosef Yaacov. 		Herzenberg, Willy Gabriel (I4072)
 
2481 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Censuses:
1900 US: Brooklyn, Kings, New York, p. 6 of 62, 128 Harrison Ave., family 59:
Edward Herzenberg, Feb 1845, 55, md. 30 years, Rus Rus Rus, imm. 1899.
Dora, wife, Mar 1850, 50, md. 30 yrs., 6 total children all living, Rus Rus Rus, imm. 1899.
Yetta, dau., Aug 1878, 21, single, Rus Rus Rus, milliner, imm. 1899.
Robert, son, Apr 1881, 19, single, Rus Rus Rus, imm. 1899.
Joseph, son, Jul 1888, 11, Rus Rus Rus., imm. 1899.
Linn, dau., 1892, 8, Rus Rus Rus, imm. 1899.
Edward, nephew, Apr 1870, 30, single, Rus Rus Rus, imm. 1890, salesman.

1910 US: Brooklyn, Kings, New York, p. 1 of 20, 1370 Myrtle Ave., house 3, family 6, 15 Apr 1910:
Edward G. Herzenberg, 40, md. once for 10 years, Ger Ger Ger, imm. 1890, millinery shop.
Henrietta, 29, md. once for 10 years, 3 total children all living, Ger Ger Ger, imm. 1890.
William, son, 8, NY Ger Ger.
Sarah, dau., 7, NY Ger Ger.
Arthur, son, 6, NY Ger Ger.

1920 US: Queens, Queens, New York, p. 3 of 6, 1736 Myrtle Ave., house 15, family 38:
Edward G. Herzenberg, rents, 51, Russian Jewish, Russian Jewish, Russian Jewish, immigrated 1890, naturalized 1896, owns millinery store.
Yettie, wife, 39, Russian Jewish, Russian Jewish, Russian Jewish, imm. 1898, naturalized.
William, son, 18, NY, Russian Jewish, Russian Jewish, Commercial cotton goods salesman.
Sarah, dau., 17, NY, Russian Jewish, Russian Jewish, millinery trimmer.
Arthur, son, 16, single, NY, Russian Jewish, Russian Jewish.

1930 US: Queens, Queens, New York, p. 28 of 31, 1736 Myrtle Ave., house 158, family 302:
Edward S. Herzenberg, rents, $40, 60, md. at age 29, Ger Ger Ger, immigrated 1890, naturalized, store merchant.
Yette, wife, 49, md. at age 19, Ger Ger Ger, imm. 1898, naturalized.
Arthur, son, 26, single, NY Ger Ger, salesman.

3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL017 Info shows Edward (Edouard) b. Abt 1880 in Libau, d. 1944 in Queens, NY, m. to Yetta Herzenberg.
HG016
LL173

4. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. Peter lists three children: William Gabriel, Arthur and Robert. Note that Peter misses the child Sarah, but shows a Robert (Bobby) md. to Krieger. Could Bobby be Arthur since the Bobby survived to a marriagable age, but never showed up in the censuses with the family which would be highly unlikely.

5. Email dated 22 Jan 2018 from Gilda Kurtzman of Petach Tikva, Israel : "Outline Descendant Report for Yosef Herzenberg:
1 Yosef Herzenberg
+ Rebecca Iddelson
2 Tzvi Hirsch Herzenberg b: 1836 in Libau, Latvia, d: 1925 in Libau, Latvia
+ Lena Kramer b: Abt. 1834 in Libau, Latvia, d: Nov 27, 1929 in Libau, Latvia
3 Adolph HERZENBERG b: Abt. 1870 in Aizpute (Hazenpoth) or Grobin, Courland, Latvia, d: Dec 1941 in Lativa, Holocaust
+ Lydia RAIVID b: Abt. 1879 in Possibly Telsiai, d: Sep 08, 1926 in Libau, Latvia
4 Leo HERZENBERG b: Jan 04, 1899 in Lativa, d: Mar 06, 1971 in Tel Aviv, Israel
+ Lucy ??? b: Abt. 1900 in Lithuania, m: Bef. 1927 in Lithuania, d: Aug 01, 1969 in Wiesbaden,
Germany
5 Lilli HERZENBERG b: Mar 17, 1928 in Lithuania, d: May 29, 2000 in Wiesbaden, Germany
+ Julius FARKAS b: Jul 02, 1910 in Frankfurt, Germany, m: Jun 27, 1950 in Tel Aviv, Israel, d: Jun 10, 1996 in Wiesbaden, Germany
6 Daniel Josef FARKAS b: Jul 30, 1956 in Wiesbaden, Germany
+ Dalia MIZRACHI b: Sep 11, 1957 in Tel Aviv, Israel, m: Aug 25, 1980 in Wiesbaden, Germany
7 Inbal FARKAS b: Feb 26, 1982 in Wiesbaden, Germany
+ Shmuel COHEN m: Nov 17, 2011 in Haifa, Israel
7 Chaim FARKAS b: Jun 01, 1985 in Holon, Israel
+ Adva MADANES m: Jun 10, 2016 in Chavat Ronit, Israel
7 Avital FARKAS b: Nov 14, 1991 in Holon, Israel
4 Gabriel William HERZENBERG b: Jul 19, 1900 in Libau, Latvia, d: May 27, 1985 in Chevy Chase, MD
+ Toba SCHLOSS b: May 17, 1911 in Pennsylvania, m: May 31, 1938 in Washington, DC, d: May 10, 1997 in North Bethesda, MD
5 Berl Jacob HERZENBERG b: May 07, 1942 in Washington, DC
+ Joanne MAFUCCI b: 1940
5 Gail Joanne HERZENBERG b: Apr 26, 1945 in Washington, DC, d: Jan 17, 2013
+ Jerrold Leslie ZIMMERMAN b: Jan 04, 1946, m: May 30, 1970
6 Joanna Herzenberg ZIMMERMAN b: Feb 22, 1978 in Richmond, VA
+ Jonathan Paul LACROIX b: Sep 01, 1962, m: Jul 08, 2005 in Lexington, VA
7 Tova ZIMMERMAN LACROIX b: May 20, 2008 in Virginia
6 Noah Herzenberg ZIMMERMAN b: Sep 28, 1981 in Washington, DC
4 Irving HERZENBERG b: Nov 03, 1903 in Libau, Latvia, d: Apr 27, 1964 in New York City, NY
+ Janice WILE b: May 15, 1913 in New York, m: Feb 04, 1937 in New York City, NY, d: Nov 07, 1982 in Burlington, VT
5 Linda HERZENBERG b: Jun 21, 1942 in New York
+ Peter W. SPARKS b: Mar 15, 1942, m: Feb 08, 1964 in Burlington, VT
6 Lauren SPARKS b: Sep 18, 1964 in Burlington, VT.
+ Timothy E. WRIGHT b: Oct 16, 1963, m: Jun 11, 1995 in Vermont
7 Liam WRIGHT b: Feb 13, 1998 in Concord, NH
7 Garret WRIGHT b: Jul 15, 1999 in Concord, NH
6 Jennifer SPARKS b: Mar 04, 1967 in Burlington, VT.
+ Ari GOLDSTEIN m: Dec 28, 2002 in Jackson Hall, WY
7 Beatarix GOLDSTEIN b: Feb 27, 2006 in Jackson Hall, WY
5 Carol Joan HERZENBERG b: May 08, 1944 in New York
+ Jake Simon MEYER
6 Cecelia MEYER b: 1971
6 Danielle Neva MEYER b: Apr 29, 1978 in El Paso County, TX
+ Andrew Eric GEISHEIMER b: Sep 01, 1977, m: Nov 02, 2009 in Adams, CO
6 Jared Cephas MEYER b: Aug 06, 1980 in El Paso County, TX
3 Edward Herzenberg
3 Max Herzenberg
3 Joseph Jacob Herzenberg
3 Sarah Herzenberg
3 Willy Gabriel Herzenberg"

BIOGRAPHY:
1. Ancestry.com's "New York Petitions for Naturalization": Edward G. Herzenberg, b. Oct 1871, previous nationality of Russian, living at 1370 Myrtle Ave of Brooklyn, NY, milliner, arrived 10 Jan 1890 through port of NY/NY, naturalized 20 Nov 1905 per vol. 76, copy of record no. 211, US District Court in Brooklyn, NY.

MARRIAGE:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kerry Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/

2. Interested researcher: Binni Lewis 18 Aug 2007 . Has no dates nor places but lists children as Sarah, Gabriel Willy, Adolphe, Edward, Max Mordechai, Yosef Yaacov. 		Herzenberg, Edward G. (I4071)
 
2482 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
LA 007 shows Hinde b. Abraham. Peter notes that this is a tenuous link.

BIRTH:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Hinde (I4066)
 
2483 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
LA 007 shows Mendel b. Abraham. Peter notes that this is a tenuous link.

BIRTH:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Mendel (I4064)
 
2484 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Per Leo, they had two children - both last in Moscow, Russia.

3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 108 shows Alice b. Mitau, d. Riga, md. to Packschwer.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
" When Uncle Abraham died the eldest son, Leo, was married in Petersburg. Also the daughter Fanny. Laura and Alice were married in Moscow, and Sophie in Mitau. At home were Ludwig, [44] in the firm, Harry who was still in the gymnasium, and the two girls, Roberta, of my age, and Klara, a little older. Ludwig, whom the mother worshipped, took over running the business. Harry entered the business as an apprentice. Ludwig decided on moving the business to Riga, why I don't know. The beautiful old house in Mitau was sold. Everything in Mitau was liquidated. Instead of the princely living in Mitau, aunt Therese moved into an old dark rental house on the Schwimmstrasse in Riga. I believe she had no happy time there. I don't know how Ludwig ruined the business so quickly. It ended when I was on a vacation trip to Germany in the summer of 1904, when I received the news from my father that I should visit aunt Therese in Berlin. [45] I met her, with Klara and Roberta, in a shabby room of a pitiful pension near the Elsasser gate. They had just had lunch, which consisted of a can of sardines with bread. The firm Abraham Herzenberg in Riga had failed. They had lost everything, and had fled to Germany, and were totally dependent on the support of children and siblings...
...[52] The two following sisters, Alice and Laura married two brothers Packscwer in Moscow, industrialists and bankers and each of the sisters has two sons. In all other respects the fate of the two sisters was fundamentally different. In those days the education of girls in the family was especially held back. From the older children of Abraham I know that they married without understanding the meaning of marriage. Even a word like "shirt" was taboo. It can be assumed that the brother that Alice married also did not know his condition, and brought syphilis into the marriage. In any case, he infected Alice, and as it was in those days, one did not speak of such things as long as possible. When Alice started showing brain disturbances she came to Riga to her mother into the sad home on the Schwimstrasse. [53] At that time I was living as a boarder with aunt Therese. Alice had gone into town on some errands, failed to return, and in the evening after a long search was found insane in the suburbs . She was very beautiful, and her mental decline was a pitiful sight. One could not keep her in the house. She came into a private insane sanatorium of Dr. Schonfeld near Riga, where she died some time later. I never knew what happened to the husband and the two pretty, but pale and sickly Children."
LAURA came to Paris with her husband and the two children after the Soviet revolution. They apparently rescued everyone from the Russian collapse. When I last saw Laura in Kissingen in 1922 she was still very pretty, tall and slender. Her husband Pakschwer made an impression like a diplomat before 1914. The elder son was affected by social-tolstoyan ideas. He is an engineer, naturalized [54] french, but has been unemployed for along time. Laura and Max tried to arrange emigration to Bolivia for him, but when the visa had been obtained he had gone to Saigon, Indochina. The second son lived in London. Lastly Laura and Max moved from Paris to Vichy. I don't know what happened to them after the collapse of France and the anti-Semitic laws of the Petain government."

BIRTH:
1. Date is only an unsubstantiated guess by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Alice (I4063)
 
2485 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Son Ljowka or Lenka Kahn was last of Marseilles, France.

3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 108/051 shows Klara (Clara) b. Mitau, d. Marseilles, France, md. to Kahn.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
" When Uncle Abraham died the eldest son, Leo, was married in Petersburg. Also the daughter Fanny. Laura and Alice were married in Moscow, and Sophie in Mitau. At home were Ludwig, [44] in the firm, Harry who was still in the gymnasium, and the two girls, Roberta, of my age, and Klara, a little older. Ludwig, whom the mother worshipped, took over running the business. Harry entered the business as an apprentice. Ludwig decided on moving the business to Riga, why I don't know. The beautiful old house in Mitau was sold. Everything in Mitau was liquidated. Instead of the princely living in Mitau, aunt Therese moved into an old dark rental house on the Schwimmstrasse in Riga. I believe she had no happy time there. I don't know how Ludwig ruined the business so quickly. It ended when I was on a vacation trip to Germany in the summer of 1904, when I received the news from my father that I should visit aunt Therese in Berlin. [45] I met her, with Klara and Roberta, in a shabby room of a pitiful pension near the Elsasser gate. They had just had lunch, which consisted of a can of sardines with bread. The firm Abraham Herzenberg in Riga had failed. They had lost everything, and had fled to Germany, and were totally dependent on the support of children and siblings...
...The two youngest girls, Klara and Roberta were about my age, Roberta almost the same age, Klara a bit older. In the family they were only called Kunkel und Runkel (women and beets?). When I was a student in the last classes I was very much in love with Runkel, especially during the summer when visiting Aunt Therese on the Riga shore [strande], but Runkel preferred the courting of a Russian Captain. There was no way I could compete with him. Then I lived with both of them in Riga in the Schwimmstrasse pension with aunt Therese. My crush dissipated very quickly, and the courting of the Riga students did not make me jealous. But of all of the students who appeared in aunt Therese's home, none made an impression . [57] Perhaps they felt the crackling of the baking [kninskern im geback] of the Herzenberg firm. So they remained unmarried when the firm collapsed. Both were already very handicapped [gehandikapt] by the death of their father, so as with the elder sisters, a dowry was impossible [so war eine standgemassemitgift und Aussteuer wie bei den altern Schwestern ein ding der unmoglichkeit]. They were both dear, brave, hardworking girls, but they had no figure and were no beauties [keinen wuchses und keine schonheiten] although Runkel was rather pretty. They totally lacked the ladylike bearing of the elder sisters, then too, the times had changed, it was no longer the quiet burgerlike life of the 19th century. Russia was involved with the defeats of the Japanese war, the foreboding of the first Russian revolution of 1905 were appearing everywhere, and both girls were almost caught and arrested at student meetings. But before the 1905 revolution broke out came the collapse and the flight [58] to Germany. The girls with the mother lived in Berlin, Wiesbaden, Koln, and then resettled in Warsaw, and married small business people. Klara -Mischa Kahn, and Roberta - Abramovicz. Through the world war I lost largely contact with all relatives on that side of the eastern front, and even more so after my emigration to Bolivia. In the year 1930, during my European vacation, I wanted to visit the relatives in Poland, but I had only two days including travel, so I could only stay in Warsaw for a few hours. Since then Runkel died of a heart weakness caused by smallpox, Then Klara's husband died, and she moved to Paris and Marseille with the only son, Lenka who nourished his mother as a radio mechanic. In 1940 they wanted to come here, but it was already quite impossible to get a visa. So they stayed in [59] Marseille and also surely became victims of the anti-Jewish Petain government."

BIRTH:
1. Date is only an unsubstantiated guess by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Klara (I4061)
 
2486 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 108/052 shows Roberta b. Mitau, d. Riga, md. to Abramovicz.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
" When Uncle Abraham died the eldest son, Leo, was married in Petersburg. Also the daughter Fanny. Laura and Alice were married in Moscow, and Sophie in Mitau. At home were Ludwig, [44] in the firm, Harry who was still in the gymnasium, and the two girls, Roberta, of my age, and Klara, a little older. Ludwig, whom the mother worshipped, took over running the business. Harry entered the business as an apprentice. Ludwig decided on moving the business to Riga, why I don't know. The beautiful old house in Mitau was sold. Everything in Mitau was liquidated. Instead of the princely living in Mitau, aunt Therese moved into an old dark rental house on the Schwimmstrasse in Riga. I believe she had no happy time there. I don't know how Ludwig ruined the business so quickly. It ended when I was on a vacation trip to Germany in the summer of 1904, when I received the news from my father that I should visit aunt Therese in Berlin. [45] I met her, with Klara and Roberta, in a shabby room of a pitiful pension near the Elsasser gate. They had just had lunch, which consisted of a can of sardines with bread. The firm Abraham Herzenberg in Riga had failed. They had lost everything, and had fled to Germany, and were totally dependent on the support of children and siblings...
...The two youngest girls, Klara and Roberta were about my age, Roberta almost the same age, Klara a bit older. In the family they were only called Kunkel und Runkel (women and beets?). When I was a student in the last classes I was very much in love with Runkel, especially during the summer when visiting Aunt Therese on the Riga shore [strande], but Runkel preferred the courting of a Russian Captain. There was no way I could compete with him. Then I lived with both of them in Riga in the Schwimmstrasse pension with aunt Therese. My crush dissipated very quickly, and the courting of the Riga students did not make me jealous. But of all of the students who appeared in aunt Therese's home, none made an impression . [57] Perhaps they felt the crackling of the baking [kninskern im geback] of the Herzenberg firm. So they remained unmarried when the firm collapsed. Both were already very handicapped [gehandikapt] by the death of their father, so as with the elder sisters, a dowry was impossible [so war eine standgemassemitgift und Aussteuer wie bei den altern Schwestern ein ding der unmoglichkeit]. They were both dear, brave, hardworking girls, but they had no figure and were no beauties [keinen wuchses und keine schonheiten] although Runkel was rather pretty. They totally lacked the ladylike bearing of the elder sisters, then too, the times had changed, it was no longer the quiet burgerlike life of the 19th century. Russia was involved with the defeats of the Japanese war, the foreboding of the first Russian revolution of 1905 were appearing everywhere, and both girls were almost caught and arrested at student meetings. But before the 1905 revolution broke out came the collapse and the flight [58] to Germany. The girls with the mother lived in Berlin, Wiesbaden, Koln, and then resettled in Warsaw, and married small business people. Klara -Mischa Kahn, and Roberta - Abramovicz. Through the world war I lost largely contact with all relatives on that side of the eastern front, and even more so after my emigration to Bolivia. In the year 1930, during my European vacation, I wanted to visit the relatives in Poland, but I had only two days including travel, so I could only stay in Warsaw for a few hours. Since then Runkel died of a heart weakness caused by smallpox, Then Klara's husband died, and she moved to Paris and Marseille with the only son, Lenka who nourished his mother as a radio mechanic. In 1940 they wanted to come here, but it was already quite impossible to get a visa. So they stayed in [59] Marseille and also surely became victims of the anti-Jewish Petain government."

BIRTH:
1. Date is only an unsubstantiated guess by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Roberta (I4060)
 
2487 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Per Leo Herzenberg, they had two children: Lonja and Erich Offenbacher.

3. According to the book "Pianos and Their Makers: A Comprehensive History of the Development of the Piano," by Alfred Dolge, p. 457, Offenbacher was established 1900 in St. Petersburg.

4. Two brothers, Wilhelm (or Vasily) and Joseph (or Joseph) Offenbacher marry two cousins, Fanny and Flora Herzenberg. Acquaintance and marriage most likely was in St. Petersburg. Robert Herzenberg's memoirs below indicate two Offenbacher brothers had come to St. Petersburg - Wilhelm had a piano factory and presumably Joseph had the mirror factory.

5. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 108/0 shows Fanny b. Mitau, d. 1941 Tel Aviv, md. to Offenbacher.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
" When Uncle Abraham died the eldest son, Leo, was married in Petersburg. Also the daughter Fanny. Laura and Alice were married in Moscow, and Sophie in Mitau. At home were Ludwig, [44] in the firm, Harry who was still in the gymnasium, and the two girls, Roberta, of my age, and Klara, a little older. Ludwig, whom the mother worshipped, took over running the business. Harry entered the business as an apprentice. Ludwig decided on moving the business to Riga, why I don't know. The beautiful old house in Mitau was sold. Everything in Mitau was liquidated. Instead of the princely living in Mitau, aunt Therese moved into an old dark rental house on the Schwimmstrasse in Riga. I believe she had no happy time there. I don't know how Ludwig ruined the business so quickly. It ended when I was on a vacation trip to Germany in the summer of 1904, when I received the news from my father that I should visit aunt Therese in Berlin. [45] I met her, with Klara and Roberta, in a shabby room of a pitiful pension near the Elsasser gate. They had just had lunch, which consisted of a can of sardines with bread. The firm Abraham Herzenberg in Riga had failed. They had lost everything, and had fled to Germany, and were totally dependent on the support of children and siblings...
...The oldest daughter FANNY married the Bavarian piano manufacturer Offennbacher, who had a factory in Petersburg. The Offenbachers come from Nurmberg-Furth, a second brother had a mirror factory in Petersburg. The other brothers stayed in Nurmberg. At the outbreak of the world war they were in Germany. Wilhelm Offenbacher was a Bavarian reserve officer and serves as a captain in some garrison. Fanny had two children, Sonja and Erich. Sonja married in Nurmberg and had a little daughter, her husband fell in the world war. Erich entered the war as a volunteer. A coincidence brought us together in Lida in 1917, after which we did not see each other for about 16 years. [51] He married a cousin in Nuremberg, and Sonja married a second time, this time a very orthodox Jew. When Hitler came to power Sonja and her family emigrated to Palestine. Erich committed suicide, and the elders, Fanny and Wilhelm Offenbacher wandered to Palestine to join Sonja, where they now live. Wilhelm had ended his 80th year before the journey, they live in Tel Aviv, Sonia has become a grandmother, and so Fanny is a great-grandmother. When they looked up my father [Papachen] in Libau ten years earlier, and Aunt Therese was still alive, none of us could have suspected that the few who were saved from perishing in Petersburg would perish in Germany and that Fanny's family would return to the land of our ancestors as old people. (Footnote: Fanny Offenbacher died at the end of 1941 in Tel Aviv.)
A nephew of Wilhelm Offenbacher was driven to Bolivia by the Hitler storm, and now (1940) lives with wife and son in Tarija."

2. The following undated paper was written late 1969 in Nice, France by Catherine Werblovsky Olympieff (also known as Ekaterina Werblovskaya Olympieva) at the request of Patrick Landau through his aunt Alice Nikitina. Patrick's father, Vladimir Landau, even though he was Catherine's cousin, had less knowledge on the family then Catherine. Catherine was the granddaughter of Edouard and Rebecca Herzenberg. The letter was written a couple of years before Catherine's death after she entered into an assisted care facility in Nice. The paper was recently found among personal items previously gathered about 1969 by her daughter Irene Nadia de Lanskoy Petersen. Portions of the letter were written in three languages: English, French, and Russian. Irene, in transcribing the letter, notes that the letter was hard to follow and to make sense of. Irene's transcription dated 31 Jul 2007 with her notes added in [ ].
"What concerns the father and mother of our mother's: Mother's father: Edouard Ocipovitch Herzenberg [or Gerzenberg] Edward son of Joseph Herzenberg born: in Mitava [or Mittau] not far ___, Baltic Provinces - not far from Riga. He died at 76 years of age (had diabetes and malaria) from lung congestion after flu. His wife was his cousin.
Rebecca Herzenberg also married a first cousin. I am not sure of the name of her father; she died in Moscow when I was 6 years old (70 years ago). [Death would be approximately 1899?]
They were probably married in Mitawa and came to Moscow young, because all their children were born in Moscow. The eldest 1) Elizabeth 2) Sonja [or Sonia] (Sofia) mother of Manja or Mania who now lives in Moscow, who had a sister Nadja or Nadia who was born in Moscow. Sonia's husband was Adolf Schneider - son of Aaron Schneider - who had 3 more sons: Nicolas, Alexander, Serge and a daughter Elizabeth Schneider. She got married with Martin Behr (English nationality); they had two children and lived in Moscow. Mrs. Elizabeth Behr died in London (after the Russian Revolution she lived in France, later in England.) Her brother Adolf Schneider was a brother-in-law of our mother's of course.) [This is a repeat of the above.] The Behrs had 2 children. Elisabeth Behr died in London (probably her husband Martin Behr died before.) Mrs. Behr's daughter Olga died in London about a year ago [1968-69?], her brother George Behr still lives in London is married (has 1 daughter who is married too and has 2 boys, 8 and 7.
So my mother Elisabeth was the eldest daughter of Edward and Rebecca Herzenberg born in Moscow like her sister Sonia, the next sister Flora born in Moscow. Flora, married Joseph Offenbacher, had one son Lotar (my first cousin as well as yours). She, her husband, and son died in Germany during the war of Hitler (son Lothar). [Irene notes that another family account says that Lothar committed suicide on account of the war.] [His father] Joseph Offenbacher had an older brother Vasily [William or Wilhelm] Offenbacher who married a cousin of our mother's - Fanny, daughter of Abra[ha]m (whom all children of Edward Herzenberg used to call Uncle Abraham.) He was the husband of Grandfather Edward Herzenberg's sister Theresa. His family name was also like all: Herzenberg. Theresa Herzenberg had many children - daughter Fanny, sons Ludwig, Harry, and 2 other sons and another daughter Sophia married to another Herzenberg (all those marriages were between cousins) who had three children, Robby (Robert) who lives in Sweden and 2 daughters Clara and Roberta (died in Riga - Bolshevik Revolution). [I am not sure if Clara and Roberta are correct for this family grouping.] After Flora Herzenberg, the 4th daughter was my Aunt Anjuta [Anna Herzenberg-Landau]. Then there was another one Genga (Eugenie) married Harry Taube from Riga - were killed by Hitler's army. She was the 5th daughter of Edward Herzenberg. The 6th was Lilja [Lilia] (1st wife of Uncle Max Landau - died in Davos, Switzerland from TB.) Then was another daughter Milja, died very young (she was the 7th daughter). The youngest daughter Tonya [Tonia] died in Moscow. Then there were two brothers, the oldest Ivan (John) married a French young girl from Mussidan, Dordogne, France. She was daughter of the Mayor of that town. Died in the north of Russia where - she was sent sick and was sent with her to Mourmansk (north of Russia). Uncle Vanja's [Vania, Ivan, John all same name wife Lydia died there [note her maiden name was Lydie Buisson]. Uncle Vanja died too in Bolshevik Revolution. Their 3 children: Micha (Michel) died probably in Moscow; his brother Andrei (Andre) Herzenberg and Suzanne Hindzee (Herzenberg) - 1st husband (French) Volant. She has a daughter in Toronto married in Toronto (Alja [or Alice Nikitina] knew her) who has two children, boy and girl. The father's family name is A. [Albert?] Statter - wife Lydie (Suzanne's daughter) - son Albert. [Irene's note: last known address was 33 Stonegate Road, Toronto, Canada, M8Y-1V8; phone 416-251-6295.]
There was yet other families related to us through our mother's. It was a well known dentist. His name was Kovarsky. His wife was the cousin of our mother's. They had a lot of children - 3 brothers Misha (Michael), Leva (Leon), 2 daughters Choura (Alexandra). Chura who now is same age as Suzanne [Herzenberg Hindzee] - the only one alive. I forget the name of the eldest brother deceased. Manja (Mania) in Moscow knows more about that family. What was the name of the mother cousin of our mother's-probably it was yet another of the Herzenberg family. As Alja [Alice Nikitina] will be going to Moscow she will be able to find out more form Manja [Mania]. Then there was yet another family related to the wife of our grandfather through the husband or wife Idelson. There was a girl Lisa Idelson and her brother. I think that Manja must know something about them. They lived in Moscow. I used to go see them with my mother when I was about 8 or 10 years old.
Now George Behr has written from London thanking me for my sympathy condolences on account of the death of his sister Olga Behr. She must have been older than 78 years. he thought that his aunt on his father's side, Nina Karlovna died in Moscow, as well as his cousin Leija, but I think it is relatives on the side of his father Bahr, and the cousin is perhaps of the Schneider family (it is possible that the cousin is still living). All these people lived in Moscow.
Now what concerns the Packschwer family. The one that came to see you with the Vietnamese wife has passed away. His name was Julien Packschwer born in Vitebesk, Russia. He was 72. His younger brother Saveijn (Sahva) engineer in London named himself Packshaw, died in England 3 weeks before Julien, leaving a widow (2nd marriage) and 2 children. It was the death of his younger brother that caused reaction on Julien Packshwer. He died 3 weeks after him. He was found on a street in Nice, France with a cerebral hemorrhage-fell in the street. Police took him to the hospital St. Rock where he died at 19 hours in the evening and remained in a coma. His car 2 CV (small) stayed in the parking where he had left it. It was only his Vietnamese wife [Mado] returning from Saigon 1 month after his death that was able to retrieve that car from the parking. Yet another day or two, it would have been impounded. But as it was the widow herself then came. They did not charge her anything. But as the car was her husband's-she has to wait by inheritance law to be able to sell it and divide up in 4 parts to his children. The eldest son of another marriage Leon is an eye doctor in Paris, then 3 other children. Oldest Robert in Montreal, CA; another son in ___ was in the navy for 3 years. The oldest was in the Air force, married a girl from Morocco - they are going to have a child soon. The daughter Irene married, has a little boy, the husband is serving in the military; they live in Cayrons near Vence, France in the Packshwer house. The widow/mother Mado inherited ¼ of the sum, the children ¾ divided in 4 for each of the 4 children. Through a real estate in Vence, Julien's house of 1000 sq. meters is worth 18 million francs. If the children keep the house, they will in turn need to give on fourth of the cost to the widow who also has the right to half of his monthly pension of 30,000 francs. She came to see me day before yesterday and told me all these details. So here you have it-the relatives. The mother of the Packshwer father was 1st cousin of our mother's through the daughter of the sister of our grandfather Edward Herzenberg maiden name Theresa Herzenberg died in Nice, born I think in Mitawa [Mitau], Baltic Provinces. She was buried with her husband in Nice at the Caucade cemetery.
Now I add what George Behr wrote from London that his wife Janet has seen Aunt Anjuta [Anna Herzenberg] in Monte Carlo, then he wrote about his cousin in Moscow who he thinks has passed away (he is going to find out about it from Manja-he asked their address in Monaco). She was the daughter of the oldest sister Polina Aronovna of his mother. Here is what concerns that family... [Balance of letter missing]."

BIRTH:
1. Age 19 given in marriage record.

MARRIAGE:
1. https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/93986017:61883?tid=&pid=&queryId=f98e52fb83c4e4de851f821f6bf59f42&_phsrc=sRw4301&_phstart=successSource.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Fanny (I4059)
 
2488 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 108/044 shows Harry b. Mitau, d. Vienna, Austria, md. to Mimi.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
" When Uncle Abraham died the eldest son, Leo, was married in Petersburg. Also the daughter Fanny. Laura and Alice were married in Moscow, and Sophie in Mitau. At home were Ludwig, [44] in the firm, Harry who was still in the gymnasium, and the two girls, Roberta, of my age, and Klara, a little older. Ludwig, whom the mother worshipped, took over running the business. Harry entered the business as an apprentice. Ludwig decided on moving the business to Riga, why I don't know. The beautiful old house in Mitau was sold. Everything in Mitau was liquidated. Instead of the princely living in Mitau, aunt Therese moved into an old dark rental house on the Schwimmstrasse in Riga. I believe she had no happy time there. I don't know how Ludwig ruined the business so quickly. It ended when I was on a vacation trip to Germany in the summer of 1904, when I received the news from my father that I should visit aunt Therese in Berlin. [45] I met her, with Klara and Roberta, in a shabby room of a pitiful pension near the Elsasser gate. They had just had lunch, which consisted of a can of sardines with bread. The firm Abraham Herzenberg in Riga had failed. They had lost everything, and had fled to Germany, and were totally dependent on the support of children and siblings...
HARRY Herzenberg, the youngest, and to me dearest of the brothers was not much older than I. he then entered the business. When I think back to Riga I see him in the bookstore on the Shwimmstrasse, only him and the old owner Bitterlich. After the collapse he got around a lot, lived in Germany as a representative of English textile firms, lastly in Vienna where he married an Arian [50] woman, and has a son and a daughter. I don't know what happened to them after the annexation of Austria in 1938."

2.Email from Anne Herzenberg [mailto:anne@herzenberg.com] 508-341-9715 August 06, 2007.
"...My grandmother, Harry's wife, was Wilhelmina Maria Pfeiffer, born on February 4, 1898 in Nuremberg, Germany. My father has a sister, Ingeborg... She now lives in Wales, but spent most of her adult life in Northern Ireland. Inge, my father and her parents fled from Vienna in 1939 and settled in England. Inga has 4 children, two of whom are now grandparents. My parents, my siblings and I came to the US in 1970. My sister Catherine moved back to England shortly thereafter and still lives there. The Herzenberg name in my line of the family will end with my brother, Stephen, unless his daughters follow through on their idea to name their kids Herzenberg..."

3. Business records from the St. Petersburg, Russia, Archives per hired researcher of Konnor Petersen. Research dated Oct. 2022.
Records group 586, inventory 1, volume 4. Contract between A.Z. Werblowsky and G.A. Gertsenberg with Yu.A. and M.A. Lyandau about organization of trade partnership
Pages 1, 1 back of the page, 2.
Contract of 1909 between St. Petersburg merchant of the 1st guild Werblowsky and pharmacist Gertsenberg on the one hand and PhD in Commercial Sciences Yulian Adolfovich Layandau and Max Adolfovich Lyandau on the other hand. Werblowsky and Gertsenberg within “A.Z. Werblowsky” company owning commercial and industrial enterprise in mineral mill plant in St. Petersburg and spar exploitation in Olonets province according to the rent conditions with local peasants accept brothers Lyandau as investors and participants and grant them one fifth of the enterprise. Gertsenberg is still in charge of the plant management and receives a salary of 4,000 rubles per year, his vice manager is Werblowsky with the salary of 1,200 annually.
Page 3.
Report from Werblowsky on the plant`s paper that he accepted three investors who wish to stay anonymous with the capital of 11,679 rubles.
Листы 4 back of the page, 5, 5 back of the page.
Agreement between Werblowsky, Gertsenberg and brothers Lyandau about starting a mutual enterprise.
Pages 6, 7.
Notary papers (confirming identity).
Page 8.
Blank.
Pages 9, 9 back of the page, 10, 10 back of the page.
Contract from 15 January 1911 between Werblowsky and Luga bourgeois Harry Abramovich Gertsenberg. Werblowsky invites long-term employee Gertsenberg to become a partner in agency commission office with a storehouse of manufactured goods inside of Gostiny Dvor #32, 33.
Pages 11, 12.
Notary papers (confirming identity).
Pages 13, 13 back of the page.
Documents in German (conditions of cooperation).
Page 14.
Blank.
Pages 15, 15 back of the page.
Agreement between Werblowsky and Harry Gertsenberg.
Page 16.
Blank.
Pages 17, 17 back of the page, 18.
17 May 1913. Werblowsky, Gertsenberg, Lyandau transfer plant to a newly organized “Severnoye Gornopromyshlennoye Joint Stock Company” for 450,000 rubles in stock of the mentioned Joint Stock Company.
- From the total stock 20,000 is for Dutchman Peter Heinrich Wan-Winen for his labors of organizing the company.
- 140,000 to persons invited to participate in the company.
- The remainder of 290.00 is divided the following way: 35% to Werblowsky. 35% to Gertsenberg. And 15% to each of Lyandau brothers.

BIRTH:
1. Per William Wood's daughter Ruth Allen, per email dated 7 Sep 2010 of Mountain Ash, South Wales. She notes the information is from "actual birth, death, and marriage certificates my mother had kept in a little locked box, and also from things she had written down."

MARRIAGE:
1. Per William Wood's daughter Ruth Allen, per email dated 7 Sep 2010 of Mountain Ash, South Wales. She notes the information is from "actual birth, death, and marriage certificates my mother had kept in a little locked box, and also from things she had written down."

DEATH:
1. Anne Herzenberg per email dated 27 Aug 2010 notes that her grandfather died in England (not Vienna, Austria) in approximately 1942.

BURIAL:
1. Per FindaGrave: The inscription says:
In loving memory of
HARRY HERZENBERG
Who was suddenly called
To rest December 24th 1940
Aged 59 years
Deeply mourned by his wife
Son and daughter
Always in our thoughts

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Harry (I4057)
 
2489 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 108/042 and EA shows b. 1873 at Mitau, d. 3 Dec 1932 at Riga, md. to Mery Herzenberg.
Was a chemical engineer. Lived in Tallinn, Estonia.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"...Julius HERZENBERG, the second son, studied at the Polytechnic in Riga and graduated as a chemical engineer shortly after Uncle Abraham's death. In the following summer he married the daughter of his cousin Louis, Mery Herzenberg from Riga. It was a love marriage. The wedding took place in Karlbad, on the Riga shore, where all Riga's and some of Mitau's families moved every summer, and most of them had established summer residences. That same night the house burned down, and only the naked lives were rescued.
The parents bought him a gas light mantle factory in Berlin.[47] There their daughter Hedwig was born. When I was in Berlin in the October 1902, she lay in the cradle. The mantle undertaking soon went bankrupt. Julius never again worked as a chemical engineer. He left Berlin and Germany for ever. For a time he was in Irkutsk (in Russia, near lake Baikal) with representation, then back to Russia. There a son, Alfred (Fredy) was born. I did not hear much from them for a long time, after the revolution they were able to return to Latvia. Fredy went to the United States to study. Hedy married the Latvian architect Sproghe. Julius Herzenberg died soon after in Riga. Fredy came to Schenectady as an engineer at General Electric, then, in 1936 as an exploration engineer for Shell Oil in Houston, Texas, where he still works today (1940). In 1937 he brought his brother in law over, in 1938 Hedwig and Mery also came to Houston. Hedwig has a son Erik. So, the great-grandchild of Uncle Abraham, [48] Eric Sproghe, is the first half Latvian in out family. Fredy Married in Houston, but I do not know his wife's name."

MARRIAGE:
1. Ancestry.com's "Latvia: Riga Jewish Marriages, 1854-1921": "July Herzenberg, md. 1901 to Mary Herzenberg."

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Julius or July (I4056)
 
2490 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 107/015.

BIRTH:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Bernhard (I4054)
 
2491 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 107/039.

BIRTH:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Julius (I4053)
 
2492 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 107/038 shows d. in Riga, md. to Lilly Herzenberg.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"...GREAT-UNCLE Abraham Herzenberg, Mitau, and descendants. [39] Uncle Abraham in Mitau was the youngest son of my great-grandfather Elias Lemchen Herzenberg. My grandfather Naftali was the second oldest, and I will write more about him later. The second youngest was Uncle Hosias, whom I did not know. When I went to the Russian front in 1916, while passing through Warsaw on the way to Minsk, I spent an hour in his house. But I no longer remember anything. Of his sons I knew Heinrich and Leopold very casually. Heinrich married Lilly Herzenberg, the window of Meisel and lived in Riga..."

BIRTH:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Heinrich (I4052)
 
2493 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 107/037 shows b. in Riga.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"...GREAT-UNCLE Abraham Herzenberg, Mitau, and descendants. [39] Uncle Abraham in Mitau was the youngest son of my great-grandfather Elias Lemchen Herzenberg. My grandfather Naftali was the second oldest, and I will write more about him later. The second youngest was Uncle Hosias, whom I did not know. When I went to the Russian front in 1916, while passing through Warsaw on the way to Minsk, I spent an hour in his house. But I no longer remember anything. Of his sons I knew Heinrich and Leopold very casually. Heinrich married Lilly Herzenberg, the window of Meisel and lived in Riga..."

BIRTH:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Leopold (I4051)
 
2494 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Had at least one son named Elje Haase who maried Cila O. Gerson, dau. of Robert Gerson and Liebchen Konigsfest. [Len Yodaiken notes a child named Elias Haase in his "The Herzenbergs of Piltene and Liepeja Latvia," 1 Jan 2000, copy in my possession - KP.]

3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 106/108 shows b. in Goldingen, d. in Paulshafen, md. to Haase.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"The Generation of My Parents
[78] My grandparents Naftali and Nese had four sons and six daughters: Leonhard, Joseph, Ignatz, Leopold, Sarah, Ernestine, Sophie, Fanny, Dora, and Lina...
Of the aunts I know even less, except for Fanny, of whom I write later...
Aunt SOPHIE, in Paulshafen, was married with uncle Haase (whose first name I can't think of). I think I may have seen her once; we did not visit them although Paulshafen is close to Libau, on the coast, halfway to Windau, it is not on the main road to Goldingen. Uncle Haase was in Libau more often though, an attractive, tall [87], black-bearded man. Of their many children I somewhat knew only Elias, who married Cila Gerson, my cousin on mother's side. They live in South Africa ad have a smart son, Robert, but they are not doing well, since Elias has been suffering from a foot ailment that makes him unable to work."

BIRTH:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kenny Petersen.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Sophie (I4046)
 
2495 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. This individual shows up with Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ but not with Nina Kossman www.ninakossman.com .

3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
YL 014 shows Sara.

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"Great Uncles on Mother's Side
[60] Of the great uncles, the siblings of my grandmother on my mothers side, I can report very little. The oldest, Robert, after whom I was named, I could not know, because he died on my parents' wedding day, but I knew most of his children.
Great Uncle Robert lived in Mitau, neighbor of his brother in law, great uncle Abraham. He was married to Emilie Cahn. The firm continued still long after the world war. I knew the children David, Alexander, Leo, Clara and Helene; Fanny, Seba, Sara died early from smallpox. of David I wrote already on p 54-55. Leo was a lawyer in Russia. I met him in Germany after the war. He was already quite white-haired when he married the piano virtuoso Jenja Rappaport. He then lived [61] as a lawyer in Riga and died there a few years ago. There the sisters Clara and Helene also lived and died before the second world war.
Clara was married to Isidor Brensohn, and had children Ruth, Ellen, Robert, and Theo. Theo has a pretty good calling as a painter and etcher, having exhibited in Paris and Rome.
Helene was married to Jeannot Taube, with children Harry, Alice and Erna. Harry Taube I still knew as a student."
 		Herzenberg, Sara (I4028)
 
2496 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. This individual shows up with Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ but not with Nina Kossman www.ninakossman.com .

3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
YL 014 shows Helene b. Riga, m. Taube.

4. Len Yodaiken notes children from the marriage of Jennot Taube and Helene Herzenberg as Harry (md. Molly ___ and had child Sorel Taube), Alice, and Ema (md. ___ Nathanson and had children Serina and Nadia Nathanson in Riga) per his "The Herzenbergs of Piltene and Liepeja Latvia," 1 Jan 2001, copy in my possession. He also indicates that the Nathansons had four children: Nadia, Irene, Nicolai, and Michala (m. ___ Clein).

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"Great Uncles on Mother's Side
[60] Of the great uncles, the siblings of my grandmother on my mothers side, I can report very little. The oldest, Robert, after whom I was named, I could not know, because he died on my parents' wedding day, but I knew most of his children.
Great Uncle Robert lived in Mitau, neighbor of his brother in law, great uncle Abraham. He was married to Emilie Cahn. The firm continued still long after the world war. I knew the children David, Alexander, Leo, Clara and Helene; Fanny, Seba, Sara died early from smallpox. of David I wrote already on p 54-55. Leo was a lawyer in Russia. I met him in Germany after the war. He was already quite white-haired when he married the piano virtuoso Jenja Rappaport. He then lived [61] as a lawyer in Riga and died there a few years ago. There the sisters Clara and Helene also lived and died before the second world war.
Clara was married to Isidor Brensohn, and had children Ruth, Ellen, Robert, and Theo. Theo has a pretty good calling as a painter and etcher, having exhibited in Paris and Rome.
Helene was married to Jeannot Taube, with children Harry, Alice and Erna. Harry Taube I still knew as a student."
 		Herzenberg, Helene (I4025)
 
2497 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Per email of 17 Jul 2007 from Nina Kossman www.ninakossman.com . Nina is a descendant of Klara/Robert/Joseph/Lemchen/Joseph Herzenberg. Note that Mitau, Courland was part of the tsarist empire, but later it became known as Jelgava, Latvia.
A. "A photograph of Klara Herzenberg (daughter of Robert Herzenberg) can be seen at [underscore between brenson and herzenberg]. It should also be noted that in Piltene, where our 18th century Herzenbergs lived, there is an old Jewish cemetery in which almost all are Herzenbergs." Nina is coordinating an effort to restore the Piltene cemetery and please contact her if you are able to assist financially.
B. Children of Robert Herzenberg and Emilie Kahn:
a. Daughter Rosete (Rosa), b. 14 Apr 1854 in Mitau, d. 2 Nov, 1862 in Mitau.
b. Daughter Seba, b. abt. 1856, d. 1859 in Mitau.
c. Daughter Feige/Fanny, b. 26 Jul 1857 in Mitau, d. 31 Oct 1862 in Mitau.
d. Daughter Klara, b. 4 Dec 1859 in Mitau, m. 12 May 1883 in Mitau, d. 17 Jun 1939 in Riga. Husband Isidor (Isac-Aisak, Itzig), son of Isak-Aisik (Itzig, Isidor) Brensohn, b. 27 Sep 1854 in Mitau, d. 31 Dec. 1928 in Riga. (Photo of Isidor and Clara on file with me.) Of Isidor's and Clara's four children - Ruth, Ellen, Theo, and Robby, only one - Theo - survived the war as he was not living in Latvia at the time (photo of the four children on file with me).
i. Ruth Brenson (1889-1941) was born in Yelgava, Latvia. While temporarily staying in Moscow she met Stephan Kossman, whom she married around 1910. she had two children: Nora (b. 1911) and Leonid (b. 1915). Ruth was killed by the Nazis in Riga, Latvia. (Photo of Ruth on file with me.) The family lived in Moscow, at Chistye Prudy 11, in a ten-room apartment in a five-story building; later they moved to an apartment on First Meschanskaya. Since Stephan Kossman was a merchant of the Frist Guild, it was no longer safe for his family to live in the city after the Bolshevik takeover. The Brenson-Kossman family left Moscow for Riga - where Ruth's father lived - in the beginning of 1918. Stephan Kossman was born in 1877. When he was about seven years old his father, Leontii Kossman, took him to live in Londonwhere Leonitii had started a fur business. After Leontii's death, Stephan took over the business. His job took him all over Europe and in the very beginning of the 20th century he lived in Leipzig for several years, in Berlin, in London, etc. He married Ruth Brenson in 1909 and came back to Moscow to live. Eight years later, following the October Revolution, the family left Russia. He died in Riga, Latvia, in 1928. This couple had two children: Leonid and Nora.
1. Leonid Kossman is a philologist, writer, and teacher whose language textbooks have helped millions of people. Born in Moscow in 1915, as a child in Riga, Latvia, he spoke German and Russian at home and Latvian in the neighborhood. After graduating from a German high school he studied law at the University of Latvia and worked as a drama critic for a Latvian Newspaper, Tsinia. When the Nazis occupied Riga he escaped into Russia, soon joined the Soviet army, and was severely wounded. He spent the rest of the war in Kazakhstan where he slowly regained sight and movement. After the war he studied English and western literature at Moscow State University, graduated, and taught English and German at the Maurice Thorez Linguistics Institute (which later became the Moscow State Linguistics University, or MGLU). During this period his two textbooks for Russians learning German were published. With his wife and two children he emigrated to the US via Israel in 1972, and worked here as a college languages teacher and as a writer for the German-American Daily Staatszeitung and for the German-Jewish American weekly, Aufbau. In the late 1970s he started writing books to help other Russians in learning English. In authorized, and pirated, editions of these books have circulated very widely, and have even been adopted by American university Russian courses. Most recently he has been writing short stories and he published a historical novel "Above Water" in 2003 (the book deals with he effects of Nazism on the life of a Harry Rosen, a Latvian Jew).
2. Nora.
ii. Ellen was born 188? and died 1941; she was an orthopedic phsysician and he rhusband, Yakov Meltzer, was a pianist; they had a son Anatol and all three were killed by Germans in Nazi-occupied Latvia (photo of the three with son at age 6 on file.)
e. Son David, b. 17 Jul 1864 in Mitau, m. 7 Jan 1890 in Mitau, d. bef 1935. Wife Sophia, dau. of Abram Herzenberg, b. 20 Aug 1869 in Mitau, d. 1941 in the "ghetto."
f. Son Alexander, b. 16 Apr 1866 in Mitau.
g. Son Leonhard, b. 24 Jul 1868 in Mitau.

3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
HL 111 notes Alexander b. 1866 in Mitau and d. 1934 in Leipzig, Germany.

4. Received 30 Apr 2009 a copy of the following from Irene Gottleib Slatter entitled "Archival Reference about Brenson Family. It was prepared for Nina Kossman Dec 2006 and is report no. 3-K-7622; 7794N by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007. The following is only a partial transcript concerning this individual; please see the notes of Isidor Brenson within this database to see full and complete transcript including sources and documentation:
"Klara had brothers and sisters:
- sister Rosete, born on April 14 of 1854 in Mitau. Rosa Herzenberg died on November 2 of 1862 in Mitau, aged 8-1/2, cause of death - measles. We suppose that Rosete and Rosa was one and the same person.
- sister Feige/Fanny, born on July 26 of 1857 in Mitau, died on October 31 of 1862 in Mitau, aged 5, cause of death - measles.
- sister Seba, died in 1859 in Mitau, aged 3.
- brother, David, son of Robert Herzenberg, born on July 17 of 1864 in Mitau, 2nd guild merchant, since 1915 - 1st guild merchant, the Hereditary Honourable Citizen...
- brother Alexander, born on April 16 of 1866 in Mitau. He was registered as a merchant of top guild of Mitau. Since January 12 of 1899 he was registered as a Moscow merchant of top guild.
- brother Leonhard, born on July 24 of 1868 in Mitau."

BIOGRAPHY:
1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's. Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg." The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"Great Uncles on Mother's Side
[60] Of the great uncles, the siblings of my grandmother on my mothers side, I can report very little. The oldest, Robert, after whom I was named, I could not know, because he died on my parents' wedding day, but I knew most of his children.
Great Uncle Robert lived in Mitau, neighbor of his brother in law, great uncle Abraham. He was married to Emilie Cahn. The firm continued still long after the world war. I knew the children David, Alexander, Leo, Clara and Helene; Fanny, Seba, Sara died early from smallpox. of David I wrote already on p 54-55. Leo was a lawyer in Russia. I met him in Germany after the war. He was already quite white-haired when he married the piano virtuoso Jenja Rappaport. He then lived [61] as a lawyer in Riga and died there a few years ago. There the sisters Clara and Helene also lived and died before the second world war.
Clara was married to Isidor Brensohn, and had children Ruth, Ellen, Robert, and Theo. Theo has a pretty good calling as a painter and etcher, having exhibited in Paris and Rome.
Helene was married to Jeannot Taube, with children Harry, Alice and Erna. Harry Taube I still knew as a student.
Of great-uncle Roberts's children I knew Alex best, and came closer to him when the first world war brought him out of Russia. He was married to Milly Tockel and lived as a rich businessman and house owner in Moscow, where his three children Edith, Ernst, and Theo were born. During the Bolschevick revolution he lost his whole fortune, but as a Latvian was allowed to emigrate, and came to Leipzig where his mother in law and sister in law [62] lived. The children grew up in Leipzig. Alex worked with representation, and Milly helped by keeping a pension, and furnishing summer homes. But there was only enough to live on. Alex was a good-hearted, modest person. He was completely dedicated to the family. He was an outstanding Cello player, and at one time had his own quartet in Moscow. Only one son, Ernst, inherited the musical talent, but he does not practice. When I already was in Bolivia Alex expressed the wish that I would bring his children to me. But only after his death, as the Hitler times kept getting worse, did the children decide to emigrate. Ernst came at the beginning of 1937, and found a position with the firm Enrique Levy in La Paz. Edith came in April 1938, in the fall of 1938 Theo, and at the beginning of 1939 the mother, Milly. Edith was in Oruro for a year and opened a kindergarten where you, [63] Nardi, along with 6-8 other children, were taught. In March 1939 she moved to La Paz to join her mother and brothers, then at the end of 1939 to Buenos Aires where she still has a position (February 1941) . Theo is a trained graphic artist and is active in his profession in La Paz."

MARRIAGE:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kerry Petersen.
 		Herzenberg, Alexander (I4022)
 
2498 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Per email of 17 Jul 2007 from Nina Kossman www.ninakossman.com . Nina is a descendant of Klara/Robert/Joseph/Lemchen/Joseph Herzenberg. Note that Mitau, Courland was part of the tsarist empire, but later it became known as Jelgava, Latvia.
A. "A photograph of Klara Herzenberg (daughter of Robert Herzenberg) can be seen at [underscore between brenson and herzenberg]. It should also be noted that in Piltene, where our 18th century Herzenbergs lived, there is an old Jewish cemetery in which almost all are Herzenbergs." Nina is coordinating an effort to restore the Piltene cemetery and please contact her if you are able to assist financially.
B. Children of Robert Herzenberg and Emilie Kahn:
a. Daughter Rosete (Rosa), b. 14 Apr 1854 in Mitau, d. 2 Nov, 1862 in Mitau.
b. Daughter Seba, b. abt. 1856, d. 1859 in Mitau.
c. Daughter Feige/Fanny, b. 26 Jul 1857 in Mitau, d. 31 Oct 1862 in Mitau.
d. Daughter Klara, b. 4 Dec 1859 in Mitau, m. 12 May 1883 in Mitau, d. 17 Jun 1939 in Riga. Husband Isidor (Isac-Aisak, Itzig), son of Isak-Aisik (Itzig, Isidor) Brensohn, b. 27 Sep 1854 in Mitau, d. 31 Dec. 1928 in Riga. (Photo of Isidor and Clara on file with me.) Of Isidor's and Clara's four children - Ruth, Ellen, Theo, and Robby, only one - Theo - survived the war as he was not living in Latvia at the time (photo of the four children on file with me).
i. Ruth Brenson (1889-1941) was born in Yelgava, Latvia. While temporarily staying in Moscow she met Stephan Kossman, whom she married around 1910. she had two children: Nora (b. 1911) and Leonid (b. 1915). Ruth was killed by the Nazis in Riga, Latvia. (Photo of Ruth on file with me.) The family lived in Moscow, at Chistye Prudy 11, in a ten-room apartment in a five-story building; later they moved to an apartment on First Meschanskaya. Since Stephan Kossman was a merchant of the Frist Guild, it was no longer safe for his family to live in the city after the Bolshevik takeover. The Brenson-Kossman family left Moscow for Riga - where Ruth's father lived - in the beginning of 1918. Stephan Kossman was born in 1877. When he was about seven years old his father, Leontii Kossman, took him to live in Londonwhere Leonitii had started a fur business. After Leontii's death, Stephan took over the business. His job took him all over Europe and in the very beginning of the 20th century he lived in Leipzig for several years, in Berlin, in London, etc. He married Ruth Brenson in 1909 and came back to Moscow to live. Eight years later, following the October Revolution, the family left Russia. He died in Riga, Latvia, in 1928. This couple had two children: Leonid and Nora.
1. Leonid Kossman is a philologist, writer, and teacher whose language textbooks have helped millions of people. Born in Moscow in 1915, as a child in Riga, Latvia, he spoke German and Russian at home and Latvian in the neighborhood. After graduating from a German high school he studied law at the University of Latvia and worked as a drama critic for a Latvian Newspaper, Tsinia. When the Nazis occupied Riga he escaped into Russia, soon joined the Soviet army, and was severely wounded. He spent the rest of the war in Kazakhstan where he slowly regained sight and movement. After the war he studied English and western literature at Moscow State University, graduated, and taught English and German at the Maurice Thorez Linguistics Institute (which later became the Moscow State Linguistics University, or MGLU). During this period his two textbooks for Russians learning German were published. With his wife and two children he emigrated to the US via Israel in 1972, and worked here as a college languages teacher and as a writer for the German-American Daily Staatszeitung and for the German-Jewish American weekly, Aufbau. In the late 1970s he started writing books to help other Russians in learning English. In authorized, and pirated, editions of these books have circulated very widely, and have even been adopted by American university Russian courses. Most recently he has been writing short stories and he published a historical novel "Above Water" in 2003 (the book deals with he effects of Nazism on the life of a Harry Rosen, a Latvian Jew).
2. Nora.
ii. Ellen was born 188? and died 1941; she was an orthopedic phsysician and he rhusband, Yakov Meltzer, was a pianist; they had a son Anatol and all three were killed by Germans in Nazi-occupied Latvia (photo of the three with son at age 6 on file.)
e. Son David, b. 17 Jul 1864 in Mitau, m. 7 Jan 1890 in Mitau, d. bef 1935. Wife Sophia, dau. of Abram Herzenberg, b. 20 Aug 1869 in Mitau, d. 1941 in the "ghetto."
f. Son Alexander, b. 16 Apr 1866 in Mitau.
g. Son Leonhard, b. 24 Jul 1868 in Mitau.

3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
YL shows birth 1860.
HL 111/056 notes David.
Notes wife as Sophie Herzenberg.

4. Ancestry.com's "Duma Voters Lists 1906-1907":
"David Gertsenberg [David Hertzenberg]
Father: Robert
Age at Vote: at least 25
Year of Record: 1907
Gender: Male
Nationality: Jewish
Country: Latvia
Gubernia (District): Courland
Town: Jelgava [Mitau]
Voting Qualification: Property owner (home, real estate, building, other immovable property, etc.)
Data Source: Latvia - Courland
1907 Duma Voters Lists Voter List Number: 1 -135"

5. Received 30 Apr 2009 a copy of the following from Irene Gottleib Slatter entitled "Archival Reference about Brenson Family. It was prepared for Nina Kossman Dec 2006 and is report no. 3-K-7622; 7794N by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007. The following is only a partial transcript concerning this individual; please see the notes of Isidor Brenson within this database to see full and complete transcript including sources and documentation:
"...David, son of Robert Herzenberg, born on July 17 of 1864 in Mitau, 2nd guild merchant, since 1915 - 1st guild merchant, the Hereditary Honourable Citizen. His wife Sophia, daughter of Abram Herzenberg was born on August 20 (Gregorian calendar) of 1869 in Mitau. According to the birth records Klara Herzenberg was born on August 8 (Julian calendar) of 1869 in Mitau, her father was Abram Herzenberg and mother Teresa, daughter of Joseph, nee Herzenberg. We suppose that Sophia and Klara might be one and the same person. The marriage of David and Sophia was registered on January 7 of 1890 in Mitau. They had children:
- son Robert, born on December 13 of 1892 in Mitau.
- daughter Jenny (Eugenia), born on October 18 of 1896 in Mitau.
- daughter Flora, born on February 8 of 1898 in Mitau.
Since 1935 a widow Sophia and her daughters Eugenia and Flora lived in Riga at Lacplesa Street 9, apt. 11. In 1939 Robert Herzenberg, a correspondent by profession, his wife Beila and son David-Harry were registered as living in Riga at Lacplesa Street 9, apt. 11. They left for Sweden in August - September of 1939. Eugenia married to Lev Wolozhinski, born on January 15 of 1891 in Riga. Sophia, Eugenia, Lev were struck off the house register of Lacplesa Street 9 in July 19-21 of 1941 (during Nazi occupation), obviously they were sent to ghetto. Lev Wolozhinsky was killed in July of 1941. Flora married to Nechemy/Nikolay Friedlender, born on December 21 of 1880 in Mitau. They lived at Elizabetes Street 27, apt. 2 and were struck off the house register on August 14 of 1941 a moved to Maskavas Street 171, apt. 4. According to the records of the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission for 1945, Nechemy and Flora were killed in 1941."

BIOGRAPHY:
1. Jewishgen.org's "Courland Voters Lists 1907, including 1905 Windau/Ventspils"; this database consists of Jewish males eligible to vote in the elections to the Russian Duma (Parliament) of 1907: David Gerzenberg (variant of Hertzenberg), father Robert, Jelgava, 1907, eligibility 1, entry 1-135.

2. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"Great Uncles on Mother's Side
[60] Of the great uncles, the siblings of my grandmother on my mothers side, I can report very little. The oldest, Robert, after whom I was named, I could not know, because he died on my parents' wedding day, but I knew most of his children.
Great Uncle Robert lived in Mitau, neighbor of his brother in law, great uncle Abraham. He was married to Emilie Cahn. The firm continued still long after the world war. I knew the children David, Alexander, Leo, Clara and Helene; Fanny, Seba, Sara died early from smallpox. of David I wrote already on p 54-55. Leo was a lawyer in Russia. I met him in Germany after the war. He was already quite white-haired when he married the piano virtuoso Jenja Rappaport. He then lived [61] as a lawyer in Riga and died there a few years ago. There the sisters Clara and Helene also lived and died before the second world war.
Clara was married to Isidor Brensohn, and had children Ruth, Ellen, Robert, and Theo. Theo has a pretty good calling as a painter and etcher, having exhibited in Paris and Rome.
Helene was married to Jeannot Taube, with children Harry, Alice and Erna. Harry Taube I still knew as a student."

3. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
"An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
"SOPHIE Herzenberg was very beautiful and cultured . She played the piano very well, and painted, but only by copying; she also accomplished spottily in burn painting . She married her cousin David Herzenberg in Mitau. It was a very unharmonious marriage, even though there were three children, Robert, Genja, and Flora. [55]
David had very little understanding for Sophie, who was a very modern woman. They lived in Mitau in the nice old paternal house. David led the firm of his late father. When Uncle Abraham died and the firm Abraham Herzenberg was moved to Riga, Sophie and the children moved there also. David usually came to visit in Riga on Sundays - it did not come to a divorce, but in practice they lived separated. David worked and earned in Mitau, and Sophie lived and dissipated [lebte und verlebte] in Riga, always surrounded by a swarm of admirers. I don't know exactly when David died, Robert had finally become a businessman and lived and married in Reval, and lastly lived in Stockholm. Sophie and the girls led a wandering life, alternately in Riga and Germany. Always from the earnings of the business in Mitau and from the sale of the house. Finally they settled down in Riga, where Genja and Flora [56] had married a few years earlier."

4. The following undated paper was written late 1969 in Nice, France by Catherine Werblovsky Olympieff (also known as Ekaterina Werblovskaya Olympieva) at the request of Patrick Landau through his aunt Alice Nikitina. Patrick's father, Vladimir Landau, even though he was Catherine's cousin, had less knowledge on the family then Catherine. Catherine was the granddaughter of Edouard and Rebecca Herzenberg. The letter was written a couple of years before Catherine's death after she entered into an assisted care facility in Nice. The paper was recently found among personal items previously gathered about 1969 by her daughter Irene Nadia de Lanskoy Petersen. Portions of the letter were written in three languages: English, French, and Russian. Irene, in transcribing the letter, notes that the letter was hard to follow and to make sense of. Irene's transcription dated 31 Jul 2007 with her notes added in [ ].
"What concerns the father and mother of our mother's: Mother's father: Edouard Ocipovitch Herzenberg [or Gerzenberg] Edward son of Joseph Herzenberg born: in Mitava [or Mittau] not far ___, Baltic Provinces - not far from Riga. He died at 76 years of age (had diabetes and malaria) from lung congestion after flu. His wife was his cousin.
Rebecca Herzenberg also married a first cousin. I am not sure of the name of her father; she died in Moscow when I was 6 years old (70 years ago). [Death would be approximately 1899?]
They were probably married in Mitawa and came to Moscow young, because all their children were born in Moscow. The eldest 1) Elizabeth 2) Sonja [or Sonia] (Sofia) mother of Manja or Mania who now lives in Moscow, who had a sister Nadja or Nadia who was born in Moscow. Sonia's husband was Adolf Schneider - son of Aaron Schneider - who had 3 more sons: Nicolas, Alexander, Serge and a daughter Elizabeth Schneider. She got married with Martin Behr (English nationality); they had two children and lived in Moscow. Mrs. Elizabeth Behr died in London (after the Russian Revolution she lived in France, later in England.) Her brother Adolf Schneider was a brother-in-law of our mother's of course.) [This is a repeat of the above.] The Behrs had 2 children. Elisabeth Behr died in London (probably her husband Martin Behr died before.) Mrs. Behr's daughter Olga died in London about a year ago [1968-69?], her brother George Behr still lives in London is married (has 1 daughter who is married too and has 2 boys, 8 and 7.
So my mother Elisabeth was the eldest daughter of Edward and Rebecca Herzenberg born in Moscow like her sister Sonia, the next sister Flora born in Moscow. Flora, married Joseph Offenbacher, had one son Lotar (my first cousin as well as yours). She, her husband, and son died in Germany during the war of Hitler (son Lothar). [Irene notes that another family account says that Lothar committed suicide on account of the war.] [His father] Joseph Offenbacher had an older brother Vasily [William or Wilhelm] Offenbacher who married a cousin of our mother's - Fanny, daughter of Abra[ha]m (whom all children of Edward Herzenberg used to call Uncle Abraham.) He was the husband of Grandfather Edward Herzenberg's sister Theresa. His family name was also like all: Herzenberg. Theresa Herzenberg had many children - daughter Fanny, sons Ludwig, Harry, and 2 other sons and another daughter Sophia married to another Herzenberg (all those marriages were between cousins) who had three children, Robby (Robert) who lives in Sweden and 2 daughters Clara and Roberta (died in Riga - Bolshevik Revolution). [I am not sure if Clara and Roberta are correct for this family grouping.] After Flora Herzenberg, the 4th daughter was my Aunt Anjuta [Anna Herzenberg-Landau]. Then there was another one Genga (Eugenie) married Harry Taube from Riga - were killed by Hitler's army. She was the 5th daughter of Edward Herzenberg. The 6th was Lilja [Lilia] (1st wife of Uncle Max Landau - died in Davos, Switzerland from TB.) Then was another daughter Milja, died very young (she was the 7th daughter). The youngest daughter Tonya [Tonia] died in Moscow. Then there were two brothers, the oldest Ivan (John) married a French young girl from Mussidan, Dordogne, France. She was daughter of the Mayor of that town. Died in the north of Russia where - she was sent sick and was sent with her to Mourmansk (north of Russia). Uncle Vanja's [Vania, Ivan, John all same name wife Lydia died there [note her maiden name was Lydie Buisson]. Uncle Vanja died too in Bolshevik Revolution. Their 3 children: Micha (Michel) died probably in Moscow; his brother Andrei (Andre) Herzenberg and Suzanne Hindzee (Herzenberg) - 1st husband (French) Volant. She has a daughter in Toronto married in Toronto (Alja [or Alice Nikitina] knew her) who has two children, boy and girl. The father's family name is A. [Albert?] Statter - wife Lydie (Suzanne's daughter) - son Albert. [Irene's note: last known address was 33 Stonegate Road, Toronto, Canada, M8Y-1V8; phone 416-251-6295.]
There was yet other families related to us through our mother's. It was a well known dentist. His name was Kovarsky. His wife was the cousin of our mother's. They had a lot of children - 3 brothers Misha (Michael), Leva (Leon), 2 daughters Choura (Alexandra). Chura who now is same age as Suzanne [Herzenberg Hindzee] - the only one alive. I forget the name of the eldest brother deceased. Manja (Mania) in Moscow knows more about that family. What was the name of the mother cousin of our mother's-probably it was yet another of the Herzenberg family. As Alja [Alice Nikitina] will be going to Moscow she will be able to find out more form Manja [Mania]. Then there was yet another family related to the wife of our grandfather through the husband or wife Idelson. There was a girl Lisa Idelson and her brother. I think that Manja must know something about them. They lived in Moscow. I used to go see them with my mother when I was about 8 or 10 years old.
Now George Behr has written from London thanking me for my sympathy condolences on account of the death of his sister Olga Behr. She must have been older than 78 years. he thought that his aunt on his father's side, Nina Karlovna died in Moscow, as well as his cousin Leija, but I think it is relatives on the side of his father Bahr, and the cousin is perhaps of the Schneider family (it is possible that the cousin is still living). All these people lived in Moscow.
Now what concerns the Packschwer family. The one that came to see you with the Vietnamese wife has passed away. His name was Julien Packschwer born in Vitebesk, Russia. He was 72. His younger brother Saveijn (Sahva) engineer in London named himself Packshaw, died in England 3 weeks before Julien, leaving a widow (2nd marriage) and 2 children. It was the death of his younger brother that caused reaction on Julien Packshwer. He died 3 weeks after him. He was found on a street in Nice, France with a cerebral hemorrhage-fell in the street. Police took him to the hospital St. Rock where he died at 19 hours in the evening and remained in a coma. His car 2 CV (small) stayed in the parking where he had left it. It was only his Vietnamese wife [Mado] returning from Saigon 1 month after his death that was able to retrieve that car from the parking. Yet another day or two, it would have been impounded. But as it was the widow herself then came. They did not charge her anything. But as the car was her husband's-she has to wait by inheritance law to be able to sell it and divide up in 4 parts to his children. The eldest son of another marriage Leon is an eye doctor in Paris, then 3 other children. Oldest Robert in Montreal, CA; another son in ___ was in the navy for 3 years. The oldest was in the Air force, married a girl from Morocco - they are going to have a child soon. The daughter Irene married, has a little boy, the husband is serving in the military; they live in Cayrons near Vence, France in the Packshwer house. The widow/mother Mado inherited ¼ of the sum, the children ¾ divided in 4 for each of the 4 children. Through a real estate in Vence, Julien's house of 1000 sq. meters is worth 18 million francs. If the children keep the house, they will in turn need to give on fourth of the cost to the widow who also has the right to half of his monthly pension of 30,000 francs. She came to see me day before yesterday and told me all these details. So here you have it-the relatives. The mother of the Packshwer father was 1st cousin of our mother's through the daughter of the sister of our grandfather Edward Herzenberg maiden name Theresa Herzenberg died in Nice, born I think in Mitawa [Mitau], Baltic Provinces. She was buried with her husband in Nice at the Caucade cemetery.
Now I add what George Behr wrote from London that his wife Janet has seen Aunt Anjuta [Anna Herzenberg] in Monte Carlo, then he wrote about his cousin in Moscow who he thinks has passed away (he is going to find out about it from Manja-he asked their address in Monaco). She was the daughter of the oldest sister Polina Aronovna of his mother. Here is what concerns that family... [Balance of letter missing]."

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, David (I4021)
 
2499 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
LA 010 shows Rebecca or Rebeka-Dina b. 1 Feb 1891.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Rebecca or Dina (I4020)
 
2500 RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
Aizpute-Hasenpoth
Jelgava-Mitau
Kuldiga-Goldingen
Liepaja-Libau
Piltene-Pilten
Talsi-Talsen
Ventspils-Windau

2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual:
LA 010 shows Sara (Sofia) b. 23 Aug 1888 in Libau.

SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ 		Herzenberg, Sophia or Sara or Sofia (I4018)
 

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