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  • Name Barent or Bernhard Frederick 
    Christened 15 Jul 1739  Fort Hunter, Albany (now Montgomery), New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died of Matilda, Dundas, Ontario, Canada Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I1026  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father Johan Peter Frederick,   b. From 1692 to 1697, of Mainz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. From 1766 to 1774, of Mohawk Township (now Florida), Tryon (now Montgomery), New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 74 years) 
    Mother Anna Veronica Braun,   b. Bef 1703, of Mainz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married 26 Nov 1722  Katholische Kirche Sankt Ignaz, Mainz, Hessen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F726  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Dorothea Schenck,   b. Abt 1750, of, Albany (now Montgomery), New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married 6 Jan 1771  Reformed Dutch Church of Stone Arabia, Palatine, Albany (now Montgomery), New York, United States Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F725  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. The book "Even More Palatine Families, 18th Century Immigrants to the American Colonies and their German, Swiss and Austrian Origins," v. 1, by Henry Z. Jones and Lewis Buncker Rohrbach, copy in Montgomery County, NY, Archives [note that author has an additional two earlier books on the same subject: "The Palatine Families of New York: A Study of the German Immigrants Who arrived in New York in 1710," (1985); "More Palatine Families," (1991), both of which I have reviewed without finding our Fredericks]:
      "Johann Peter Friederich. Peter Freidrick was naturalized 3 July 1759 (Scott & Stryker-Rodda, p. 29). On 8 Jul 1761, the petition of Peter Frederick was referred (see 'Land Patents' 16:45; also 'New York Colony, Calendar of Council Minutes 1668-1783,' compiled by Berthold Fernow, p. 404). Petter Fredrick was on a tax list of Mohawk in 1766 ('Upstate New York in the 1760s,' by Florence Christoph, p. 129). Johann Peter Frederich and wife Anna Veronica (Phronica) had issue:
      a. Philip, banns registered to marry 11 Nov 1752 Maria Sophia Salzer/Sals (Schoharie Reformed Chbk). Some of their ch. are found bpt. in the Ogilvie Records, Trinity Church, NY City. Philip Frederick was naturalized 11 Sep 1761 (Scott & Stryker-Rodda, p. 29). Philip Fredrick was on a tax list of Mohawk in 1766 ('Upstate New York in the 1760s,' by Florence Christoph, p. 129). The will of a Philip Frederick of Florida was dated 7 May 1804 (Montgomery Co. Wills Vol. 1).
      b. Bernhard, bpt. as 'Barent' July 1739 - sp: Barent Vroman and Engel (Fort Hunter Chbk). A Bernhard Friedrich md. 6 Jan 1771 Dorothea Schenck (Stone Arabia Reformed Chbk).
      c. Anna Magdalena, bpt. June 1741 - sp: Joseph... (Fort Hunter Chbk).
      d. Johann Jacob, bpt. 5 June 1743 - sp: Hans Huber and Jacob Naef and wife (Fort Hunter Chbk).
      e. Ludwig (HJ), the Lodewyck Fredrich who md. 31 March 1774 Alida Miller (Caughnawaga Reformed Chbk).
      f. Frans (HJ), the Frans Fredrick who md. 30 Dec 1774 Susanna Cosaadt (Caughnawaga Reformed Chbk). A chapter on Francis Frederick, b. Aug 1753 at Florida Twp., Montgomery Twp., is to be found in 'The Bloodied Mohawk,' by Ken D. Johnson, p. 410."
      [Kerry's notes: I have seen the book "The Bloodied Mohawk" in regards to Franz and it only contains information from his pension application, which I already have on file. Please also note that the author incorrectly assigns Frans as a child of Peter - he was a grandson, not a son. In regards to Ludwig, this is the only reference I can find of him whatsoever; there does not seem to be any christening record for him and his being listed a child of Peter is possible and perhaps likely but not proven. Please also note that even though some church records for the Fredericks are found in New York City Church records, this is only because clergymen from those Churches would travel up to "Mohawk" land. Note also that the Fredericks would use varying Protestant Churches in the vicinity depending apparently on which direction they were traveling or where there was a clergyman available to perform the rites.]

      2. The booklet on the Frederick family by Mrs. Alida Reed of Gloversville, NY, 1957 (she died Dec 1966) with copies at the Montgomery Co., NY, Archives and a microfilmed copy on FHL film 1312457, item 4). Alida descends through Hans Jacob Frederick and Margaret Young. She erroneously connects our Johan Peter Frederick to Conrad, then John, then to Kym Frederick of early New Amsterdam. I have since concluded this to be an erroneous connection (see notes of Johan Peter Frederick for a discussion of this subject). She has, however, done some very good research on our known family including the following: "Barent, bapt. 15 Jul 1739. He was a member of Jellis Fonda's associated exempts. Tryon County."

      3. 3 Nov 2007 Website: http://french-indian.morrisonspensions.org/3rdalbay.htm has the following names who served in the French and Indian Wars as part of the 3rd Regiment of Albany County Militia in 1768 which became the 3rd Regiment of Tryon County Militia in 1772 and reformed in 1775 for the War of Independence. Under Capt. Peter Servos was Ensign Barent Frederick.

      4. Ancestry.com's "New York Military in the Revolution-1776:
      Heading: Tryon County Militia - Associated Exempts.
      Rank: Enlisted Men.
      Name: Barent Frederick
      'New York in the Revolution as Colony and State,' vol. 1, p. 185, Albany, NY, 1904."
      [Exempts were men too old for active duty, but who were called for emergencies to repel invasion. Barent doesn't seem too old, but we do know that he became a British supporter.]

      5. 3 Nov 2007 Website: http://www.gaspe-loyalists.ca/Docs/TCNY1.pdf is titled "Loyalists of Chaleur Bay," comp. Hazel Shearer, 2007; she lists "Barent Frederick-Yeoman" under "Confiscations - Tryon County: Caughnawaga." This would be one of the Fredericks who sided with the British and had his land confiscated after the Rev. War. Also listed:
      Christopher Servise, Laborer, from Caughnawaga.
      John Service, Yeoman, from Johnstown.
      The confiscations were ca. 1784. Barent apparently ended up at Chaleur Bay, which is above New Brunswick in Quebec on the south side of the entrance to the St. Lawrence River on the Gaspe Peninsula.

      6. Posting on Ancestry.com accessed 27 Sep 2019 <https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/6517724/person/-1179272203/media/aa0ecb55-94b6-4ac6-afd1-042d1fb99bc8:
      "Both Barent and Lodewyk were Loyalists during the War of Independence (as were many of their neighbors).
      "The Old United Empire Loyalist List" (pub 1969, Ontario Genealogical Society - originally published as "The Centenial of the Settlement of Upper Canada by United Empire Loyalists, 1774-1784; pub. 1885) lists "Barnet" Frederick and Lodwick Frederick on the muster role in Appendix B.
      Both are listed as men of the King's Royal Regiment of New York, Sir John Johnson's Corps according to J. F. Pringle's "Lunenburgh, or the Old Eastern District." This same book lists "Names of owners given in McNiff's Map, dated 1st Nov 1786" and shows Lodk. Frederick and Bern'd Frederick in Township No. 5 (now Matilda), Concession 1, Lot 16. (I have not personally veiwed McNiff's Map but am very interested in finding it at some time.)
      "Early Ontario Settlers, A Source Book" by Norman K. Crowder shows the Provisioning Lists for the Loyalists in Ontario. The 13 Oct 1784 List for Township No. 5 (Matilda) shows both Barent and Lodwick with only 1 man each. However, they are also listed in Township No. 4 (Williamsburg) with Lodowick showing 1 man, 1 woman and 1 girl over 10 and a note "Family coming up this fall." The 1786 Provisioning List shows "Barrent Fradrick" with 1 man and 1 woman. "Lowick Fradrick" has 1 man, 1 woman, 2 boys over 10 and 1 girl age 10 (total 5).
      Barent Frederick and Dorothea were frequent sponsors for family baptisms up until the early 1780's but disappear from the New York church records after this. Barent's role in the Revolution is confusing. He also appears on a list of Fonda's "Exempts" and apparently collected pay for his services. "Exempts" were typically elderly or disabled so it is not clear why Barent was on this Rol. And it is not clear when or why he was also a Loyalist. As noted above, they were living in Canada by 1784. I have not been able to find any record of any children and the Provision Lists show only 2 adults. I also have not found records of where or when Barent and Dorothea died, whether in Dundas or back in New York.
      Lodewyk and Alida Miller apparently had 2 children. A "son" is mentioned as being sent to Canada with Sir John Johnson in his Claim of United Empire Loyalists (see Photocopy). His daughter Madelena was born 4 Dec 1774 according to her Baptismal Records. According to "The Sons and Daughters of American Loyalists" by Reid, Lodewyk's daughter "Leany" (most likely Madelena) married Philip Shaver. The "children" in the Provisioning Lists mentioned above for 1786 could be his son, daughter and her husband. There is no further record of Lodewyk's son.
      There are many Shavers in later census in Matilda Twp. "Loyalist Lineages of Canada" lists Phillip Shaver, Sr. b. 1731 Nassau, Germany, d. 1805 , bur Ang Cem, Iroquois, UC and wife Elizabeth Angst and their children including Phillip Jr., but I could not find any further information about Phillip and "Leany". The "Shaeffer Loyalist Linages" on Three Rivers website gives an extensive genealogy of the families along with additional sources. According to this source Philip Shaver and Laney are also buried in the Anglican Cemetery in Iroquois, Matilda, Dundas, Ontario.
      By the 1851 Dundas Co, Ontario Census there were no Fredericks listed. An 1879 Map of Matilda Township (McGill University County Atlas Project) shows Concession 1, Lot 16 belonging to P. Shaver 60 ac., Guy Shaver 40 ac., A. Brouse 66 ac., and S. Shaver 33 ac. (also 33 ac. in adoining Lot 16).
      (By mfred1234 - 13 Aug 2008)"

      7. Loyalist claims by brothers Barent and Lodewick Frederick in the book "United Empire Loyalists: Enquiry Into the Losses and Services in Consequence of Their Loyalty. Evidence in the Canadian Claims, Part 1," Ontario. Department of Public Records and Archives; Alexander Fraser; January 1, 1905, order of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario, L.K. Cameron, pp. 473-4:
      "A New CLAIM. 432. Evidence on the Claim of BARNET FREDERICK, late of Tryon County, N. York Province.
      Claimt sworn:
      Says he was a soldier in Sir John Johnson’s 1st Batal. in Montreal, 1783, & gave a Claim to Capt. Byrne. (24).
      He is a native of America. In 1775 he lived on the Mohawk river. Never joined the rebels in any respect. He did not come to Canada until 1780, joined Sir John Johnson & served the remainder of the \Var. Resides at New Johnston.
      100 acres Land from the Children of Sir Peter Warner. It was later a Lease for ever. He lived there 6 years & cleared 30 acres it had a House & Barracks on it. He left stock, 10 Horses, 3 Milch Cows, 3 Heifers, 6 Sheep. All of these were taken by the rebels. Household furniture & farming utensils. Wits. Lodwick FREDERICK sworn:
      Says he had cleared about 20 acres on his farm. He had a very good stock, 8 Horses & Cows. All taken by the rebels.
      A New CLAIM. 433. Evidence on the Claim of Lodowick FREDERICK, late of Tryon County, N. York Province.
      Claimt sworn:
      Says he was a soldier in Sir Jonn Johnson’s 1st Batal. in 1783 & gave a Claim to Capt. Byrne.
      He was born in America in 1775. He lived on the Mohawk river. He did not come to Canada until 1780, but before that he never joined the rebels. He sent his son to Canada with Sir John Johnson.
      He enlisted while in the States in Sir John Johnson’s Regt. & served the remainder of the war in his Corps. He now lives in the 5th Township of N. Johnson. 100 acres on the Mohawk river on Lease forever. He had a Warrant for it. 80 acres were cleared.
      He had a House. Barn, &c. on it. He left 16 Horses, a yoke of oxen, 6 Cows, 2 Heifers, 24 Sheep, Hogs, furniture & farming utensils. Says the rebels turned his wife out of Doors & took all these things.
      Wits. BARNET FREDK. sworn: Says his Br. had all cleared on his farm. He had it from their father. His stock was twice as good as Wits. It was taken by the rebels.
      Wits. JOHN SMITH sworn: Knew Lodowick Frederick on the Mohawk. Cannot tell why he did not come in the first of the War. Says that most of his farm was cleared. He was a man of good circumstances."

      BIRTH:
      1. From the book "Compendium of Early Mohawk Valley Families," by Maryly B. Penrose, v. 1, p. 281, Birth/Baptism:
      "Frederick, Johan Peter and Anna Phronica (?):
      Barent, bapt. 15 Jul 1739 (FH:7) Sponsors: Barent Vroman Jur., Engletie Hansen.
      Ann Magdalene, bapt. 21 Jun 1741 (FH:14) Sponsors: Joseph Walleshous and his wife.
      Hans Jacob, bapt. 5 Jun 1743 (FH:21) Sponsors: Hans Huber, Jacob Naef and his wife.
      Source: Register of Queen's Anne's Chapel, Fort Hunter, NY - Baptisms, Marriages, Communicants and Funeral, begun by Henry Barclay at Fort Hunter, January 26, 1734.
      [Kerry's note: Barent Vroman, the sponsor and namesake of Barent Frederick was the original contractor to build Fort Hunter along with four other men. The contract was dated 1711. See notes for Johan Peter Frederick for additional detail.]

      2. Montgomery County, NY, Archives 19 Sep 2007 visit: Book "Register of Baptisms, Marriages, Communicants and Funerals Begun by Henry Barclay at Fort Hunter, Jan. 26th 1734" (Queen Anne Chapel 1734-1743). There are as many Indian baptisms as there are Caucasians at this time. Names of interest:
      A. "Anna Eva, Daughter of Hannis Gleyn and Mary Christina his wife, Bap't the 25th of Jan'ry 1738/9. Nicoleas Hall, Mary Hall, Anna Eva Saltser, Surties."
      B. "Mary, Daughter of Johannis Cleyn and Mary Christina his wife Baptized May 25th 1740. Frans Saltser, Annatie Newkerk, Magdalene Walleslous, surties."
      C. "June 1st 1740, Maria Catharina, Daughter of Peter Young and Ann Eva his wife. Joseph Walleslous, Margaret Snock, Barbara Toetendorf."
      D. "October 24th 1742, Eve, Daughter of Peter Young. John Cleyn, Saets, Surties."
      E. "March ye 4th 1742, Martin, Son of John Cleyn. Cornelius Bowen, Peter Young, Mary Boen."
      F. "February 3, 1743/4, Helena, Daughter of Peter Young. Helena Wallslous, Helena, surties."
      G. "July 15th 1739, Barent, son of Johan Peter Frederick and Anna Phronica his wife. Barent Vroman Jr., Engeltie Hansen, Surties."
      H. "June 21, 1741, Ann Magdalene, Daughter of Johan Peter Frederick and Anna Phronia his wife. Joseph Walleshous and his wife."
      I. "June 5th, 1743, Hans Jacob, Son of Johan Peter Frederick. Hans Huber, Jacob Naef and his wife."

      MARRIAGE:
      1. From the book "Compendium of Early Mohawk Valley Families," by Maryly B. Penrose, v. 1, p. 281: Marriages:
      A. Frederick, Bernhard m. Dorothea Schenck, 6 Jan 1771 (RDSA:190).
      B. Frederick, Frans m. Susanna Cosaadt, 30 Dec 1774 (DRC:160).
      C. Frederick, Lodewyk m. Alida Miller, 31 Mar 1774 (DRC:160).
      D. Frederick, Peter m. Elizabeth Marlat, no date but follows 21 Oct 1779 (DRC:162).

      2. Listed as sponsors with other children's baptisms. Generally, the practice at the time was that one of the sponsors was usually a sibling to one of the parents or they were grandparents if the child was receiving the name of a grandparent:
      A. Listed with wife as sponsors in per "Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, now the Reformed Church of Fonda, in the village of Fonda, Montgomery County, N.Y.," New York, unknown, 1917, 748 pp.: Barent, offspring of Peter and Salle Miller, baptized 13 Sep 1772 with sponsors Barent and Doreta Frederick.
      B. Listed with wife as sponsors in per "Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, now the Reformed Church of Fonda, in the village of Fonda, Montgomery County, N.Y.," New York, unknown, 1917, 748 pp.: Hendrik, b. Feb. 3, offspring of Adam Dogsteter and Eva Barlet, baptized 9 Mar 1777 with sponsors Barent and Doretha Frederick.
      C. Listed with wife as sponsors in per "Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, now the Reformed Church of Fonda, in the village of Fonda, Montgomery County, N.Y.," New York, unknown, 1917, 748 pp.: Barent, offspring of Conrad and Barber Rees, baptized 25 Jul 1779 with sponsors Barent and Dorothea Frederick.
      D. Listed with wife as sponsors in per "Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, now the Reformed Church of Fonda, in the village of Fonda, Montgomery County, N.Y.," New York, unknown, 1917, 748 pp.: Elizabeth, b. 2 Jan, offspring of William Fraser and Jenny Camroon, baptized 28 Jan 1780 with sponsors Barent and Dorothea Frederick.

      3. LDS IGI name extraction per FHL film 0533497, batch M510931, printout 1205005: Bernhard Friedrich m. Dorothea Schenck 6 Jan 1771 at the Reformed Dutch Church Stone Arabia, Palatine, Montgomery, New York.

      SOURCES_MISC:
      1. Per research work by Daisy Van Wagoner (Jones), P.O. Box 190, Cleveland, Utah 84518 (875 W. 1st North), Phone 435-653-2255, email: Cocoamat@hotmail.com. Daisy is descendent of David Frederick through daughter: Cynthia Julia Frederick.